Best wishes :)Question: How do we use supremum in the proof of Cauchy sequence?

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The discussion revolves around the use of supremum in the proof of Cauchy sequences within the context of complete metric spaces. Participants explore the implications of the supremum in the proof, the conditions under which the sequence is considered Cauchy, and the definitions involved in the proof's structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof involving mappings in a complete metric space and defines a sequence using supremum to show it is Cauchy.
  • Another participant questions the contradiction arising from the inequality ${c}_{N}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ and seeks clarification on its implications.
  • A participant provides a definition of the sequence ${x}_{n}=T{x}_{n-1}={T}^{n}{x}_{0}$, indicating that ${x}_{0}$ is an arbitrary point in the metric space.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the sequence definition, suggesting an alternative definition based on the parity of $n$.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the justification for the claim that $d(x_{n+1},x_n)$ can be made less than $\varepsilon$ for sufficiently large $n$.
  • Another participant elaborates on the implications of the inequality sequence, suggesting that if it holds, it leads to a contradiction as the terms would eventually become negative.
  • Questions arise about the reasoning behind the iterative process leading to inequalities involving ${c}_{N+k}$ and the conditions under which they hold.
  • A participant inquires about the use of supremum in defining ${c}_{n}$ and whether the set from which it is derived is bounded.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of the proof, with some agreeing on the structure while others challenge the correctness of certain steps and definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the proof and the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the boundedness of the set from which the supremum is taken, as well as the conditions under which the sequence is defined and analyzed. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in definitions and justifications within the proof.

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Let $\left(E,d\right)$ be a complete metric space, and $T,S:E\to E$ two mappings such that for all $x,y\in E$,

$d\left(Tx,Sy\right)\le M\left(x,y\right)-\varphi\left(M\left(x,y\right)\right)$,

where $\varphi:[0,\infty)\to [0,\infty)$ is a lower semicontinuous function with $\varphi\left(t\right)>0$ for $t\in(0,\infty)$ and $\varphi(0)=0$ $M(x,y)=max\left\{d(x,y), d(Tx,x),d(Sy,y),\frac{1}{2}\left[d(y,Tx)+d(x,Sy)\right]\right\}$

Proof of cauchy sequence

We will show that $\left\{{x}_{n}\right\}$ is Cauchy sequence. Let

${c}_{n}=sup\left\{d\left({x}_{j},{x}_{k}\right):j,k\ge n\right\}$. Then ${c}_{n}$ is decreasing. İf $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}{c}_{n}=0$, then we are done. Assume that $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}{c}_{n}=c>0$. Choose $\varepsilon<\frac{c}{8}$ small enough and select $N$ such that for all $n\ge N$.

$d\left({x}_{n+1},{x}_{n}\right)<\varepsilon$ and ${c}_{n}<c+\varepsilon$. By the definition of ${c}_{N+1}$, there exists $m,n\ge N+1$ such that $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)>{c}_{n}-\varepsilon \ge c-\varepsilon$. Replace ${x}_{m}$ by ${x}_{m+1}$ if necessary. We may assume that $m$ is even, $n$ is odd, and $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)>c-2\varepsilon$. Then $d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)>c-4\varepsilon$, and $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)=d\left(T{x}_{m-1},S{x}_{n-1}\right)\le M\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)-\varphi\left(M\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)\right)$
$\le max\left\{d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right),\varepsilon,\varepsilon,\frac{1}{2}\left[d\left({x}_{n-1},{x}_{m}\right)+d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n}\right)\right]\right\}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)$. We have proved that ${c}_{N}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ (if $\varepsilon$ is small enough). This is impossible. Thus, we must have $c=0$

Question: How ${c}_{N}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ is condratiction ? I didnt understand...Please can you help me ? Thank you for your attention...Best wishes :)
 
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ozkan12 said:
Let $\left(E,d\right)$ be a complete metric space, and $T,S:E\to E$ two mappings such that for all $x,y\in E$,

$d\left(Tx,Sy\right)\le M\left(x,y\right)-\varphi\left(M\left(x,y\right)\right)$,

where $\varphi:[0,\infty)\to [0,\infty)$ is a lower semicontinuous function with $\varphi\left(t\right)>0$ for $t\in(0,\infty)$ and $\varphi(0)=0$ $M(x,y)=max\left\{d(x,y), d(Tx,x),d(Sy,y),\frac{1}{2}\left[d(y,Tx)+d(x,Sy)\right]\right\}$

Proof of cauchy sequence

We will show that $\left\{{x}_{n}\right\}$ is Cauchy sequence. Let

${c}_{n}=sup\left\{d\left({x}_{j},{x}_{k}\right):j,k\ge n\right\}$. Then ${c}_{n}$ is decreasing. İf $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}{c}_{n}=0$, then we are done. Assume that $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}{c}_{n}=c>0$. Choose $\varepsilon<\frac{c}{8}$ small enough and select $N$ such that for all $n\ge N$.

$d\left({x}_{n+1},{x}_{n}\right)<\varepsilon$ and ${c}_{n}<c+\varepsilon$. By the definition of ${c}_{N+1}$, there exists $m,n\ge N+1$ such that $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)>{c}_{n}-\varepsilon \ge c-\varepsilon$. Replace ${x}_{m}$ by ${x}_{m+1}$ if necessary. We may assume that $m$ is even, $n$ is odd, and $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)>c-2\varepsilon$. Then $d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)>c-4\varepsilon$, and $d\left({x}_{m},{x}_{n}\right)=d\left(T{x}_{m-1},S{x}_{n-1}\right)\le M\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)-\varphi\left(M\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right)\right)$
$\le max\left\{d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n-1}\right),\varepsilon,\varepsilon,\frac{1}{2}\left[d\left({x}_{n-1},{x}_{m}\right)+d\left({x}_{m-1},{x}_{n}\right)\right]\right\}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)$. We have proved that ${c}_{N}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ (if $\varepsilon$ is small enough). This is impossible. Thus, we must have $c=0$

Question: How ${c}_{N}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ is condratiction ? I didnt understand...Please can you help me ? Thank you for your attention...Best wishes :)
It is hard to make sense of this because you have not said how the sequence $\{x_n\}$ is defined.
 
oh, excuse me dear opalg,

${x}_{n}=T{x}_{n-1}={T}^{n}{x}_{0}$. ${x}_{0}$ is arbitrary point in X metric space
 
ozkan12 said:
oh, excuse me dear opalg,

${x}_{n}=T{x}_{n-1}={T}^{n}{x}_{0}$. ${x}_{0}$ is arbitrary point in X metric space
Looking at the proof more carefully, I think that that definition is wrong. It looks as though the correct definition should be ${x}_{n}=T{x}_{n-1}$ if $n$ is even, and ${x}_{n}=S{x}_{n-1}$ if $n$ is odd.

I still fail to understand how this proof works, because it starts by claiming that $d(x_{n+1},x_n)$ can be made less than $\varepsilon$ for all sufficiently large $n$. I cannot see anything that might justify that.

However, if the proof is correct, it appears to show that ${c}_{N}-\varphi\!\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)>{c}_{N+1}$ for all sufficiently large $N$ (if $\varepsilon$ is small enough). This would mean that $${c}_{N+1} < {c}_{N}-\varphi\!\left(\tfrac{c}{2}\right),$$ $${c}_{N+2} < {c}_{N+1}-\varphi\!\left(\tfrac{c}{2}\right) < {c}_{N}-2\varphi\!\left(\tfrac{c}{2}\right),$$ $$\vdots$$ $${c}_{N+k} < {c}_{N}-k\varphi\!\left(\tfrac{c}{2}\right),$$ and for $k$ large enough the right side of that last inequality would become negative. That is clearly impossible, because ${c}_{N+k}$ has to be positive.
 
Dear professor Opalg,

Why right side of last inequality would become negative for "k" large enough ? I didnt understand...Can you explain..? Thank you for your attention :)
 
ozkan12 said:
Why right side of last inequality would become negative for "k" large enough ? I didnt understand...Can you explain..? Thank you for your attention :)
Try to work this one out for yourself. If you take a positive quantity (${c}_{N}$) and you subtract larger and larger multiples of another positive quantity ($\varphi\!\left(\tfrac{c}{2}\right)$), then eventually the result will become negative. That's not graduate-level analysis, it's primary school arithmetic.
 
Thank you dear Opalg, I think so but to ensure, I ask this...Thank you sou much, thank you for your attention :)
 
Dear professor,

How we get

${C}_{N+2}\le{C}_{N+1}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)$
${C}_{N+3}\le{C}_{N+2}-\varphi\left(\frac{c}{2}\right)$
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By iteration ? Or by repating same process ?
 
İn this proof, I have some troubles...

First of all,

in ${c}_{n}=sup\left\{d\left({x}_{j},{x}_{k}\right):j,k\ge n\right\}$ why we use supremum ?

Also, How we know that $\left\{d\left({x}_{j},{x}_{k}\right):j,k\ge n\right\}$ has a supremum ? This set is not bounded...

Thank you for your attention...
 

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