Uncovering the Mystery: What Existed Before the Big Bang?

[curious222]

TL;DR

what was it before the Big Bang?can you count one by one?

what was it before the Big Bang?can you count one by one?

 

[phinds]

Summary:: what was it before the Big Bang?can you count one by one?

what was it before the Big Bang?can you count one by one?

I have no idea what "count one by one" means in this context, but as to what came before the Big Bang, we don't know and all speculation depends on what model you choose. In the standard model of modern cosmology, The Big Bang Theory, there IS NO "before". Everything starts after inflation and that means a tiny fraction of a second after the singularity.

 

[DaveC426913]

Don't know what 'count one by one' means, but we don't know what was before the Big Bang.

It's a bit of an antiquated notion now. We never seriously thought the universe began from a point, and we never thought it started with a bang.

What our theories model is that, at once it is a very small, very dense volume, and at some point, it expanded rapidly to form the precursor of the universe we know and love today.

But science is pretty silent on what might have happened before that initial very hot, very dense state. The wheels fall off our models at that point.

 

[curious222]

Don't know what 'count one by one' means, but we don't know what was before the Big Bang.

It's a bit of an antiquated notion now. We never seriously thought the universe began from a point, and we never thought it started with a bang.

What our theories model is that, at once it is a very small, very dense volume, and at some point, it expanded rapidly to form the precursor of the universe we know and love today.

But science is pretty silent on what might have happened before that initial very hot, very dense state. The wheels fall off our models at that point.

like God, parallel universes, quantum fluctuation ?

 

[curious222]

I have no idea what "count one by one" means in this context, but as to what came before the Big Bang, we don't know and all speculation depends on what model you choose. In the standard model of modern cosmology, The Big Bang Theory, there IS NO "before". Everything starts after inflation and that means a tiny fraction of a second after the singularity.

how did the big bang occur if there was no time?

 

[phinds]

how did the big bang occur if there was no time?

It's a MODEL. Nature doesn't care how we model it. We don't know what happened.

 

[pinball1970]

how did the big bang occur if there was no time?

If I can jump into pave the way.
First we don't do god's, they are not discussed and don't fall within the scope of Scientific enquiry.
Second don't try and think your way out of this. Just read what the current research and stance is on this. NASA website quite good. It's not all worked out, that's the beauty. Plenty to go after.

 

[curious222]

If I can jump into pave the way.
First we don't do god's, they are not discussed and don't fall within the scope of Scientific enquiry.
Second don't try and think your way out of this. Just read what the current research and stance is on this. NASA website quite good. It's not all worked out, that's the beauty. Plenty to go after.

so, reasons God?

 

[berkeman]

so, reasons God?

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[Ibix]

how did the big bang occur if there was no time?

It's worth noting that our notions of cause and effect seem to stem from the structure of spacetime, so it's not entirely clear that "what caused the universe to come into existence" has any meaning - or at least, not necessarily in any naive sense.

My understanding is that most current models have an infinite past prior to what's called the Big Bang, anyway. This is "inflation".

 

[curious222]

He just means that the PF rules prohibit most religious discussions. You can review the rules under INFO at the top of the page. Here is the part about discussing religion/deities:

ok :)

 

[Klystron]

No idea if the OP's curiosity extends to reading science texts, but the thread title and subsequent posts on counting remind me of a well known cosmology book "The First Three Minutes" by Steven Weinberg.

I last read revision 6 updated to reflect COBE among other recent data. Weinberg organizes this readable text numerically by time frames before and after the hypothetical 'three minutes'.

 

[PeterDonis]

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