Before the Big Bang

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence of time and space before the Big Bang, exploring various cosmological models and interpretations of the Big Bang itself. Participants examine theoretical implications, including the Hartle-Hawking no boundary proposal and the limitations of general relativity in describing conditions prior to the Big Bang.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the current consensus cosmological model cannot adequately describe events before the Planck time, implying a limitation in our understanding of time and space prior to the Big Bang.
  • Others propose that space-time was created by the Big Bang, leading to the assertion that without the Big Bang, there could be no time or space.
  • The Hartle-Hawking no boundary proposal is mentioned, positing that as one approaches the Big Bang, traditional notions of space and time cease to exist, making the question of "what was there before" nonsensical.
  • Some participants argue that saying time did not exist before the Big Bang is contradictory, as the concept of "before" implies the existence of time.
  • There are discussions about the interpretation of the term "Big Bang," with some suggesting it refers to the hot, dense state after inflation, while others argue it denotes the initial singularity.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the consistency of terminology in the literature, particularly in relation to inflationary models and their implications for the beginning of time.
  • Some participants reference the Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem, discussing its implications for inflationary models and the possibility of extending infinitely into the past.
  • Others note that certain models, including bounce models, may challenge the conclusions drawn from the BGV theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the nature of time and space before the Big Bang. Disagreements persist regarding the implications of various cosmological models and the interpretation of key terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current cosmological models, particularly regarding their ability to describe conditions prior to the Big Bang. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in theoretical physics about the nature of time, space, and the origins of the universe.

  • #31
pines-demon said:
I do not know if this has been brought out. There is this theory of Janus universes (as in Janus the god with two heads). Where basically from point ##t=0##, going forward in time gives a universe and rewinding back gives another universe. Similar to putting many gas particles in the corner of a box, you go forward in time the gas fills the box, you inverse the speed of all particles, the gas fills the box too.
This sounds a lot like the Big Bounce.
 
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