Big Bang to Black Holes: Could We Predict It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the fate of the universe following the Big Bang, specifically whether all stars will eventually fade or become black holes, and the implications of such a scenario. Participants also touch on concepts related to the geometry of spacetime and the calculation of distances in a four-dimensional context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that after the Big Bang, the universe entered a "dark age" followed by a "star age," leading to speculation about the eventual fate of stars.
  • There is a suggestion that if the universe is filled with black holes, they may clump together, potentially leading to a scenario where the universe recedes back to a singularity.
  • One participant mentions the "Heat death" as a widely accepted theory for the end of the universe, while another references the "Big Crunch" as a possible outcome.
  • Some participants clarify that not all stars will become black holes, but many will, and that the eventual fate of stars is still uncertain and not fully understood.
  • A separate inquiry is raised regarding the equation ds^s=dx^2+dz^2+dy^2-(cdt)^2, with a participant seeking clarification on whether it represents the distance in 3D space including a time dimension.
  • Another participant responds that the equation shows the spacetime interval between two points, indicating a relationship between spatial and temporal dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fate of the universe and the specifics of stellar evolution, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion on the spacetime interval also shows a divergence in understanding, with some seeking clarification on its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about stellar evolution and the definitions of terms like "Heat death" and "Big Crunch." Additionally, the mathematical steps related to the spacetime interval are not fully resolved.

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Hi I was wondering, so if scientist have this idea, it's not a new one, that after the big bang the universe when into almost like a dark age then when stars where formed they called in the star age. Anyway is it inevitable that the all the stars in the universe will either fade of became black holes. At this point could the universe actually just be receding back to a infinitely small and dense singularity. this would happen because if the universe was filled with black holes they would eventually all clump together. Is this an already accepted idea or is it new, i also could just be crazy:biggrin:
 
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Hi Zepp0814! Welcome to the forum.
Yes, that is a common idea about the fate of the universe. It is one of the many hypothesized ways the universe could end.
 
The most widely accepted theory of the possible "end of the universe" is the Heat death, but I could be wrong here. As for the universe ending in a black hole singularity, it is referred to as the Big Crunch. For various theories regarding the end of the universe, see Ultimate fate of the universe.
 
zepp0814 said:
all the stars in the universe will either fade of became black holes.
hi...not all stars but many..still..its a obvious idea and who knows what is to happen as long as we don't have complete idea about this.
 
dev70 said:
zepp0814 said:
all the stars in the universe will either fade of became black holes.
hi...not all stars but many..still..its a obvious idea and who knows what is to happen as long as we don't have complete idea about this.

ALL stars will, following the current expansion of the universe, eventually become either dark and inactive or they will become black holes and eventually evaporate due to Hawking radiation. All of this takes a VERY long time.

What did you think would happen to those stars that you did not feel should be included in the statement?
 
thanks every one for the answer but i have another question. it is on a different topic. so i am hoping that all of you are familiar with the fact that a basic way of finding the distance between two points in 3d space is a^2+b^2+z^2=c^2. anyway i wanted to know in the equation ds^s=dx^2+dz^2+dy^2-(cdt)^2 does this show the distance between two points in in 3-d space including 1 time Dimension or does it show something different.
 
zepp0814 said:
thanks every one for the answer but i have another question. it is on a different topic. so i am hoping that all of you are familiar with the fact that a basic way of finding the distance between two points in 3d space is a^2+b^2+z^2=c^2. anyway i wanted to know in the equation ds^s=dx^2+dz^2+dy^2-(cdt)^2 does this show the distance between two points in in 3-d space including 1 time Dimension or does it show something different.

It shows the spacetime interval between two points. So you it's the distance (squared) between two points in 3D space minus the time interval (squared) times the speed of light.
Edit: I forgot to mention that the d's in the equation mean that the lengths are infinitesimal. Infinitesimal lengths are easier to work with because you can use them to derive the metric. [tex]g_{mn}[/tex]
 
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