Biggest Change to Computer Chips In 40 Years

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The discussion centers around recent advancements in computer chip technology, specifically Intel's new 45nm transistor design and its implications for performance and cost. Participants explore the impact of these advancements on software development, the relevance of Moore's Law, and the perceived relationship between hardware improvements and software efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight Intel's breakthrough in 45nm transistor technology as a significant advancement that could enhance processor speeds while reducing power consumption and costs.
  • Others express skepticism about the necessity of increased performance, noting that older computers seem to perform adequately for their needs and that software often lags behind hardware improvements.
  • One participant suggests that as CPU speeds increase, programming languages may evolve to become simpler and more reliable, despite some performance overhead.
  • Another participant argues that Moore's Law is effectively over, suggesting that the focus has shifted from individual processor performance to multi-core chips.
  • Some participants question the validity of Moore's Law, describing it as more of a trend than a definitive law, and noting that expectations of its continuation may be misguided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement about technological advancements and skepticism regarding the relevance and future of Moore's Law. There is no consensus on the implications of these advancements for software development or the validity of Moore's Law itself.

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Participants discuss various assumptions regarding the relationship between hardware capabilities and software efficiency, as well as differing interpretations of Moore's Law and its applicability to future technology trends.

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...More Performance for Exponentially Less Cost

In one of the biggest advancements in fundamental transistor design, Intel will use dramatically different transistor materials to build the hundreds of millions of microscopic 45 nanometer (nm) transistors inside the next generation of the company's Intel® Core™2 family of processors. Intel already has the world's first 45nm CPUs in-house - the first of at least fifteen 45nm processor products in development. This new transistor breakthrough will allow Intel to continue delivering record-breaking PC, laptop and server processor speeds while reducing the amount of electrical leakage from transistors that can hamper chip and PC design, size, power consumption, noise and costs. It also ensures that Moore's Law, a high-tech industry axiom that transistor counts double about every two years to deliver ever more functionality at exponentially decreasing cost, thrives well into the next decade.[continued]
http://www.intel.com/technology/silicon/45nm_technology.htm
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20070128comp.htm

According to one news report, they are talking about 1 teraflop CPUs in five years.
 
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Yeesh. My 2.4ghz P4 seems fast enough to do anything I need it to do already.

You know what I've noticed as computers have gotten faster? They've slowed down. My P4 with WinXP takes more time to boot than my 500mhz AMD K6-2 computer with Windows 98 on it, which takes about a minute and a half. And for even more of a comparison, I once had the delight of booting a 66mhz laptop with 16mb of RAM and Win95 running on it. It took less than 20 seconds.

It seems that as computers get faster and faster, programmers create more and more monstrous programs that are exponentially more wasteful with system resources.

Don't get me wrong though, these technological breakthroughs are quite impressive.

One thing I don't get though.. The Playstation 3 has a 2 TFlops performance. Why don't operating systems start supporting the same 128-bit processors as the gaming systems? I wouldn't mind having a 128-bit, modified PowerPC processor with 8 extra 3.2 Ghz RISC processor cores running alongside the main 3.2 ghz 128-bit processor that has extra L2 cache..
 
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In my opinion, while there is still room for improvement as far as speed and multitasking goes, the improvements in CPU speed will be used to increase software reliability and security as well as ease of programming.

For example, in Java, at the cost of some performance (which is negligeable with today's machines), we have automatic Memory Management, Object Oriented standards (which simplify software programming) in addition to cross-platform compatibility.

Features like these cause overhead, but enable us to make good software quicker. So i think that as hardware gets faster we'll start to see programming languages get simpler and their respective frameworks more reliable.
 
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I am excited by the breakthrough, but moore's law is done. The sneaky move is to change moore's law from talking about processors to talking about "chips", and then allowing multiple processors on a single chip.
 
I don't believe in Moore's law.. It's more of a theory than anything.
 
I don't believe in Moore's law.. It's more of a theory than anything.

Its not even a theory, it is a rough approximation to a trend that is most notable for how long it lasted (usually exponential growth in the real world runs into problems more quickly). The whole point is that people kept expecting it to fail (i.e. no one believed it as a law) and were consistently surprised that it didn't.
 

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