Binding energies and decay energy.

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and relationships between binding energy and decay energy in nuclear physics, specifically in the context of the decay of 53Fe to 53Mn. Participants explore the apparent discrepancy between the expected difference in binding energies and the measured decay energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the binding energy of 53Fe and 53Mn, along with their respective decay energy, and expresses confusion over why the difference in binding energy does not match the decay energy.
  • Another participant questions whether the electron has been considered in the analysis and asks if the daughter nucleus is in the ground state after the transition.
  • A third participant reiterates the confusion regarding the definitions of binding energy and decay energy, asserting that they are fundamentally different concepts.
  • A fourth participant seeks clarification on the definitions, proposing that binding energy is calculated as the mass of constituents minus the mass of the nucleus, while decay energy is described as the energy of emitted particles excluding the mass of the new nucleus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of binding energy and decay energy, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are potential limitations in the definitions provided, as well as assumptions regarding the states of the nuclei involved and the role of emitted particles that have not been fully explored or agreed upon.

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I'm having some trouble with the definition of binding energy and decay energy.


Consulting a nuclide table (http://atom.kaeri.re.kr/ton/nuc5.html) I found out that 53Fe has a binding energy of 458380.194 +- 2.107 keV and decays to 53Mn by electron capture. The decay energy is 3.743 MeV and the binding energy of 53Mn is 462904.899 +- 1.439 keV .

I expect the difference in binding energy to be equal to the decay energy, but it is \approx 4.5 MeV (with relative error < 0.01) which is quite different from 3.743 MeV.
Why aren't they the same?
 
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Did you consider the electron?

Is the daughter nucleus in the ground state after the transition?
 
Pigkappa said:
I'm having some trouble with the definition of binding energy and decay energy.
Why aren't they the same?
They are two completely different things.
 
What are their definitions then?

I thought that the binding energy B = mass of constituents - mass of the nucleus

and Decay energy = energy (mass + kinetic) of emitted particles except the mass of the new nucleus
 

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