Black hole accretion: angular momentum loss

In summary, it is necessary for angular momentum to be lost by a mass in order for it to accrete around a black hole because the mass must decrease its orbital radius to fall into the black hole. This shedding of momentum and energy is similar to a spacecraft having to fire retrorockets for reentry into Earth's atmosphere. Objects falling into a black hole is not necessary, but when material falls in, dissipative interactions between particles can cause friction and transfer orbital energy into heat and radiation. This can explain why models such as magnetorotational instability are needed to explain loss of angular momentum. Additionally, it is believed that magnetic fields play a stronger role in this process than hydrodynamic pressure. It is also possible for objects to emit radiation
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Aziza
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Why exactly is it necessary for angular momentum to be lost by a mass if it is to accrete around a black hole? the mass is decreasing its radius, so it speeds up: thus angular mometum is conserved. But everywhere it is saying that 99.99% of the angular momentum must be shed for accretion to occur. Exactly why is this the case?
 
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In order to fall into the black hole the mass must decrease it's orbital radius. To do this it is required that it shed momentum and energy, otherwise it's orbit would remain the same and it would not fall in. This is similar to spacecraft having to fire retrorockets in order to start reentry into Earths atmosphere. The infalling material is moving faster, but the total angular momentum is less. This is compensated by having the lost momentum transferred to material that doesn't fall in.
 
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Drakkith said:
In order to fall into the black hole the mass must decrease it's orbital radius. To do this it is required that it shed momentum and energy, otherwise it's orbit would remain the same and it would not fall in. This is similar to spacecraft having to fire retrorockets in order to start reentry into Earths atmosphere. The infalling material is moving faster, but the total angular momentum is less. This is compensated by having the lost momentum transferred to material that doesn't fall in.

ohh right! But now why is it necessary for objects to actually fall in? Maybe they just spin around the hole without ever falling in, thus no need for angular momentum loss?
 
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It's not necessary. If it doesn't happen then nothing falls in. However when material such as a gas or dust cloud falls into the black hole, it's not all falling in at the same speed and radius and stuff. As it orbits around the black hole the material nearer to the black hole is moving faster, and the end result is lots of friction that transfers orbital energy into heat and radiation, with the particles that lose energy falling further towards the black hole.
 
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Aziza said:
ohh right! But now why is it necessary for objects to actually fall in? Maybe they just spin around the hole without ever falling in, thus no need for angular momentum loss?

It is true that a particle can orbit, or even a bunch of non-interacting particles, can orbit a black hole.

Suppose that the particle density is high enough that the particles can interact. Dissipative interactions ("friction", radiated "heat") between the particles can rob the particles of energy and angular momentum.

[edit]Drakkith beat me to it![/edit]
 
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Drakkith said:
It's not necessary. If it doesn't happen then nothing falls in. However when material such as a gas or dust cloud falls into the black hole, it's not all falling in at the same speed and radius and stuff. As it orbits around the black hole the material nearer to the black hole is moving faster, and the end result is lots of friction that transfers orbital energy into heat and radiation, with the particles that lose energy falling further towards the black hole.

So then why do we need models such as magnetorotational instability to explain loss of angular momentum? Cant we just attribute it to frictional energy loss/radiation? Also why do we say that the agn jets are possibly carrying away the angular momentum?
 
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Aziza said:
So then why do we need models such as magnetorotational instability to explain loss of angular momentum? Cant we just attribute it to frictional energy loss/radiation? Also why do we say that the agn jets are possibly carrying away the angular momentum?

I'd guess that friction in this manner isn't the ONLY way to lose angular momentum.
 
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Drakkith said:
I'd guess that friction in this manner isn't the ONLY way to lose angular momentum.

Yea i guess, from what I am reading it seems that most ppl agree that magnetic field plays stronger role because the particles arent actually that close together to exert significant hydrodynamic pressure on each other, so magnetic pressure is important.

I have another kind of related question: how is it possible for an object emit radiation above its Eddington limit? Wikipedia vaguely says that stars can do this by emission of stellar winds. A study is showing that the higher the redshift of a quasar, the higher is its super-Eddington luminosity...how is this possible? Is this by any chance related to angular momentum transport?
 

1. What is black hole accretion?

Black hole accretion is the process by which matter is pulled into a black hole's event horizon, increasing its mass and energy. This can occur through the gravitational pull of the black hole on surrounding matter, or through interactions with a companion star.

2. How does angular momentum affect black hole accretion?

Angular momentum, or the rotational motion of matter, plays a crucial role in black hole accretion. If the matter being accreted has a high angular momentum, it can form a disk around the black hole, allowing for more efficient accretion. However, if the matter has low angular momentum, it can directly fall into the black hole without forming a disk.

3. What causes angular momentum loss in black hole accretion?

In black hole accretion, angular momentum can be lost through various processes such as magnetic fields, turbulence, and gravitational interactions with other objects. This can alter the structure of the accretion disk and impact the rate of accretion onto the black hole.

4. How does black hole accretion impact the surrounding environment?

Black hole accretion can release large amounts of energy and radiation, which can have significant effects on the surrounding environment. This can include heating up the surrounding gas and dust, triggering star formation, and influencing the growth of galaxies.

5. Can black hole accretion be observed?

Yes, black hole accretion can be observed through various methods such as X-ray and radio telescopes. These observations provide valuable insights into the physics of black holes and their surrounding environments.

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