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The discussion revolves around Boeing's noise-reduction advancements in aircraft technology, specifically focusing on the use of chevrons in engine design and their impact on noise levels during flight tests. The scope includes technical explanations, research insights, and anecdotal experiences related to ongoing testing at specific facilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a report indicating that Boeing's noise-reduction efforts have shown promising results at a remote airfield in Montana.
  • Others suggest that the effectiveness of chevron designs is not straightforward, noting that various configurations have yielded mixed results in terms of noise production.
  • A participant mentions their graduate adviser at Glenn Research Center providing updates on the unexpected results of ongoing research related to noise reduction.
  • Links to external forums and research are shared, indicating interest in further exploration of the topic and related projects, such as hovercraft redesign.
  • Some participants express a light-hearted concern about confidentiality and restrictions during testing at the facility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of chevron designs in reducing noise, with some asserting that results vary significantly based on configuration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall efficacy of the technology.

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Participants note the complexity of the research, highlighting that many variables affect the outcomes of noise reduction efforts. There is also a lack of raw data shared among participants, which may limit the depth of analysis.

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This discussion may be of interest to aerospace engineers, researchers in noise reduction technologies, and enthusiasts following advancements in aircraft design and testing methodologies.

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Boeing makes 'quiet' advances
Noise-reduction efforts pay off at remote airfield in Montana

By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/236095_quietjet11.html
During tests at the Glasgow site with a 777 in 2001, Boeing found that two engines equipped with chevrons made no more noise than a single engine without the chevron.

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Technology being tested on this Boeing 777 in Montana is expected to find its way into 787s, due to enter service in 2008, and the 747 Advanced. (August 11, 2005)

Credit: James Wallace/Seattle Post-Intelligencer
 

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It's not as simple as they say. If you look at the actual research, many different chevon styles and configurations were used. Some produced 'more' noise than baseline, some produced the same, some produced less.
 
minger said:
It's not as simple as they say. If you look at the actual research, many different chevon styles and configurations were used. Some produced 'more' noise than baseline, some produced the same, some produced less.
Please provide a link to that reseach if possible.

This link looks interesting, lots of pretty charts and pictures.

http://adg.stanford.edu/aa241/noise/noise.html
 
My graduate adviser works at Glenn. He's been keeping us up to date on this work. I don't have any raw data, just what he's been telling us.

From what he says though, the results are very interesting and many times unexpected.
 
Don't get anyone fired.
 
Coincidentally, I will be at the very same facility tomorrow for some of the same testing we are going to be undertaking.
 
FredGarvin said:
Coincidentally, I will be at the very same facility tomorrow for some of the same testing we are going to be undertaking.

I'm guessing they will make you check in your camera phone at the front desk.:cool:
 

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