Bohr Model Problem (Part 2 - Updated)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on calculating the wavelength corresponding to a given energy emission and determining the final energy level after a transition from an initial energy level of n = 7. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques within the context of atomic physics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Ron presents two questions regarding energy emission and energy levels, seeking confirmation on his approach and answers.
  • One participant confirms the approach for the first question but advises against recalculating energy for the second question, suggesting that the initial energy level is already known.
  • Another participant highlights the need for an equation relating energy levels in the Bohr model and prompts Ron to identify the initial and final energy levels.
  • Ron expresses uncertainty about his calculated final energy level, questioning if n final = 1 is correct.
  • A participant suggests that there are no definitive right steps, but emphasizes the importance of demonstrating understanding and encourages exploring alternative methods to verify the answer.
  • Ron acknowledges the feedback and indicates he will revisit the problem later.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of Ron's calculated final energy level, and multiple approaches to solving the problem are suggested without agreement on a single method.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the steps taken to solve the problem, and the discussion reflects varying approaches to problem-solving within the framework of the Bohr model. Some assumptions about the energy levels and their calculations remain unaddressed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying atomic physics, particularly those working with the Bohr model and energy level transitions in hydrogen. It may also benefit those interested in problem-solving strategies in physics.

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Greetings again,

So I realize my last thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=757685 became chaotic with my thoughts and un-clear writing.

I've re-did the work to make it easier for people to understand my thought process. The two questions are as follows:

7)Calculate the wavelength that corresponds to an emission of energy of 1.977x10^-19 J.

8)If the initial energy level for the energy change in problem seven is n = 7, what is the final energy level?

And here's my updated work:
7)
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8)
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Any confirmation if I followed the right steps and achieved the correct answer?

Thank you as always,
Ron
 
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OK for 7.
For 8, you do not need, and should not, recalculate ΔE from the wavelength.
You already know what ΔE is, it was given to you at the start.

You should have an equation for the energy levels for Hydrogen in terms of n.
What is it?

ΔE=Ef-Ei = E(nf)-E(ni)

So what is nf and ni?
 
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Well, n initial is giving to us at n level = 7.
n final is what we are calculating and I received the answer of 1.

Hm.
Nf = 1 is incorrect?
 
Dunno - I did not do the problem, and I would have chosen a different approach.
You asked if you'd done the right steps - there are no right steps, but there are more efficient approaches. Full marks usually comes from demonstrating understanding.

Want to check your answer, try doing it another way.
Work out the equation for ΔE in terms of E1 and both n's - then solve for nf, and then plug the numbers in.

Remember: you are training to solve problems that nobody knows the correct answers to.
You need to work out, now, some ways to tell if you are right or not.
 
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Simon - Cheers for the response. Allow me some time to get back to this (hopefully tomorrow morning). I appreciate your responses greatly.
 

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