Bohr Radius - what happens when n=100?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radii of permitted electron orbits in hydrogen using the Bohr model, specifically focusing on the implications of a large principal quantum number, n=100. Participants express curiosity about the behavior of the radius at such a high n value and whether it deviates from the expected pattern observed with smaller n values.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Bohr equation for calculating radii and question the implications of using a significantly large n value. There is speculation about potential relativistic effects and the need to consider the finite size of the proton as n increases.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested that relativistic effects may come into play as n approaches a certain threshold, while others raise concerns about the physical implications of the proton's size at large n values.

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There is mention of the relativistic limit related to the fine structure constant and the finite size of the proton, indicating that these factors may influence the calculations and interpretations at high n values.

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i have been given a question that asks to me to calculate the radii of the first, second and third 'permitted' electron orbits in hydrogen. I did this fine by using the Bohr Equation, each time just changing the n value to either 2 or 3 resulting in the first value of the radius being multiplied by 4 or 9.

The next part asks me to calculate the radius when n=100, experience of answering questions makes me think that something different will happen when n is so large and that they are not looking for me to just multiply by 100000. Does anyone know what?
 
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wombat4000 said:

Homework Statement



i have been given a question that asks to me to calculate the radii of the first, second and third 'permitted' electron orbits in hydrogen. I did this fine by using the Bohr Equation, each time just changing the n value to either 2 or 3 resulting in the first value of the radius being multiplied by 4 or 9.

The next part asks me to calculate the radius when n=100, experience of answering questions makes me think that something different will happen when n is so large and that they are not looking for me to just multiply by 100000. Does anyone know what?

When n approaches 1/\alpha \approx 137 the system becomes relativistic so the whole derivation of Bohr energy levels falls apart, one must solve the Dirac equation. But you won't notice this if you only look at the Borh radius.
 
For a point proton, the formula for r works for all n.
However for a physical proton of radius~1fm, the Bohr radius becomes so small for large n that the finite size of the proton must be considered.
 
pam said:
For a point proton, the formula for r works for all n.
However for a physical proton of radius~1fm, the Bohr radius becomes so small for large n that the finite size of the proton must be considered.

But the value increases with n, it does not decrease.
 
I am careless. Thank you.
 

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