What Are the Key Concepts of the Bohr Model of the Atom?

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The discussion revolves around the Bohr model of the atom, focusing on the allowed radii of electron orbits, the quantization of energy, and the justification for using classical mechanics in light atoms. Participants explore calculations related to the hydrogen atom and other elements, as well as the implications of quantum numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of electron orbit radii and energy levels, questioning the assumptions made regarding atomic structure and the applicability of the Bohr model to different elements. There is also exploration of the relationship between quantum numbers and electron configurations in heavier atoms.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify and calculate aspects of the Bohr model, with some participants providing insights into the nature of quantum numbers and their implications for electron orbits. There is an ongoing exploration of how the model applies to different atomic structures, particularly in the context of ions versus neutral atoms.

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Participants note the limitations of the Bohr model, especially regarding its applicability to multi-electron atoms and the distinction between ions and neutral atoms. The discussion also highlights the complexity of electron configurations in heavier elements compared to hydrogen.

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Homework Statement


According to Bohr's atomic model,
1)Determine the allowed radius of the orbit of the electrons. Calculate the radius of the first orbit for the hydrogen atom.
2)Show that the energy of the electron is quantized. Calculate the energy corresponding to an electron on the first Bohr's orbit in an atom of H.
3)Justify the use of classical mechanics instead of relativistic mechanics for light atoms.
4)Redo part 1 and 2 assuming that the nucleous' mass isn't infinite.

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The Attempt at a Solution


1)I erroneously considered only the H atom. I started by equating coulomb's force to centripetal force. Then writing down the kinetic and potential energy of an electron in the atom.
Then I used the fact that the angular momentum is quantized (I've found this way in a book). Then using some arithmetics tricks, I reached that r=\frac{n^2 \hbar ^2}{e^2 k m_e} where k is the constant in Coulomb's law (worth 1 in some unit system, etc.), n\in \mathbb{N}- \{ 0 \}, m_e is the rest mass of the electron and e is the electron charge.
So for the hydrogen atom, n=1, right?

If I'm not wrong and Z is the number of protons in the nucleus, I should have reached r=\frac{n^2 \hbar ^2}{e^2 k m_e Z} is this right? And in this case, n=2 makes sense while in my first expression it wouldn't, am I right?

2)I reached E=\frac{e^4 k m_e}{n^2 \hbar} \left ( \frac{k^2e^2m_e}{2n^2 \hbar ^2} -1 \right), is it right? If I set n=1 I answer the second question of part 2).

3)Should I calculate the velocity of an electron? I could just use the Coulomb's law equated to the centripetal force expression and get v taking a square root. Is this right?
4)Seems really hard.
 
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fluidistic said:
So for the hydrogen atom, n=1, right?

No really. The result (r = lengthy stuff) you've got is only for H atom. And in an atom, electron can exist at certain orbits, each of which corresponds to a different value of n. For ground state, n=1. For excited state right above ground state, n=2, and so forth. So any atom, regardless of element, can have any value of n.

To justify your answer, try plugging in the numbers and see if that matches this well-known formula for H atom: r = r_0n^2 where r_0=0.53\times 10^{-10}m (Bohr radius).
(sorry, I don't remember the exact formula; it's too lengthy to me :biggrin:)

If I'm not wrong and Z is the number of protons in the nucleus, I should have reached r=\frac{n^2 \hbar ^2}{e^2 k m_e Z} is this right? And in this case, n=2 makes sense while in my first expression it wouldn't, am I right?

Yep, if your answer in (a) is correct, then for an ion which has Z protons & only 1 electron, the formula should be like that (divided by Z). Remember that Bohr model only works approximately well for atoms and ions that have 1 electron, since the model doesn't take into account the interaction between electrons.

Again, n has nothing to do with which element the atom/ion is. The number n shows the quantum behavior of electron. Electron can occupy any value of n depending on the state of the atom/ion (ground / excited state).

2)I reached E=\frac{e^4 k m_e}{n^2 \hbar} \left ( \frac{k^2e^2m_e}{2n^2 \hbar ^2} -1 \right), is it right? If I set n=1 I answer the second question of part 2).

I recall that the formula is really lengthy, but not that complicated. For example, for H atom: E=-13.6/n^2(eV). Check your calculation :smile:

3)Should I calculate the velocity of an electron? I could just use the Coulomb's law equated to the centripetal force expression and get v taking a square root. Is this right?

Yes, in the context of classical view. Bohr model is half quantum (for the quantization of angular momentum part), half classics (for the part pointed out by you :smile:).

4)Seems really hard.

It's the problem of 2 point masses orbiting around their center of mass :smile:
 
Thanks for all the valuable info I wasn't aware of, particularly the meaning of n.

I have a question regarding the radius in function of n for heavy atoms. Say you have a ion of gold and that n=3. Does that mean that the extra electron is on the third orbit of the atom?
I know that the first orbit has 2 electrons, the second 8, the third 18, the fourth 32 and so on. So when n increases, does this mean that the extra electron changes of orbit, starting from the first one? Or maybe it could start from any orbit?
And for the H atom, considering n>1 would just mean that the electron is getting farer from the proton.
 
Yes, if you can remove all the electron but one from Au atom, and given that n=3, that means the electron is on the "third orbit" (strictly speaking, it's on the 3rd energy level).

But that only happens when that electron is the only electron around the nucleus. When you say, n=1 has 2 e- of s orbital, n=2 has 8 e- (2 of s orbital and 6 of p orbital), etc, you are mentioning the quantum result of a NEUTRAL atom, i.e. the atom that is filled with electrons (for Au atom, there are 79 electrons totally). And that's another story, since it's not even Bohr model and not under the constraints of Bohr model.

So for an ion (or H atom exclusively) which has only 1 electron, according to Bohr model, n=1 means the electron is at the n=1 energy level and n=1 orbit, n=2 means the 2nd orbit which is farther than 1st orbit, and so on. Those orbits are NOT what we know as atomic orbital, which is a concept in quantum mechanics, under the constraint of neutral atom. By the way, when we say "atom", we understand that it is neutral atom; otherwise, we should call it "ion".
 
Ok thank you, I get it.
 

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