Born rule for degenerate eigenvalue

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The discussion centers on the application of the Born rule in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing the scenario of degenerate eigenvalues for an observable. Participants explore the implications of degeneracy on probability calculations and the use of projectors in this context.

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  • One participant states the Born rule as the probability of measuring a value \( a \) for an observable \( A \) is given by \( |\langle a|\psi\rangle|^2 \), questioning its validity in the case of degeneracy.
  • Another participant suggests using the spectral decomposition of the self-adjoint operator, introducing projectors for degenerate eigenvalues, and provides a formula for calculating probabilities in this case.
  • A different participant reiterates that the general formulation of the Born rule involves projectors onto eigensubspaces, emphasizing that the probability of finding an eigensubspace is the expectation of the projector in the state.
  • One participant simplifies the previous explanations, stating that for multiple eigenstates with the same eigenvalue, the probabilities for all those states should be summed to obtain the total probability of measuring that value.
  • A question is raised regarding whether the projector for a subspace of a degenerate eigenvalue can be considered a type of generator for those belonging to a subgroup.
  • Another participant offers an interpretation of the Born rule from a statistical mechanics perspective, discussing the probability density associated with a specific eigenvalue and the necessity of integrating over non-measured observables in the case of incomplete measurements.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the application of the Born rule in the context of degenerate eigenvalues, with no consensus reached on a singular approach or interpretation.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of the spectrum (e.g., purely point spectrum) and the definitions of projectors, which may not be universally accepted or clarified.

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The probability of measuring a value a for an observable A if the system is in the normalized state |\psi\rangle is
|\langle a|\psi\rangle|^2
where \langle a| is the normalized eigenbra with eigenvalue a.

This is more-or-less the formulation of the Born rule as it appears in my text. But this seems to only make sense if \langle a| is non-degenerate. So, what's the rule if we have a degeneracy?
 
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In the general case one should use the spectral decomposition of the self-adjoint operator which describes the observable A, thus one uses projectors. The projector for a subspace belonging to a degenerate eigenvalue (for simplicity, assume the spectrum to be purely a point spectrum) is the sum of each projector according to the rule

P_ n = \sum_{i=1}^{g_n} |ni\rangle \langle ni|

with g_n the dimension of the subspace which corresponds to the degenerate eigenvalue a_n in which |ni\rangle form an orthonormal subbasis. This P_n goes then in the general Born rule (again pure point spectrum):

p(a_n)_{|\psi\rangle} = \langle \psi |P_n|\psi\rangle
 
The general formulation of the Born rule uses projectors onto subspaces. The probability of finding a eigensubspace of the measurement operator is equal to the expectation of the projector in the state: p = <psi|P|psi> You can easily see that if you project onto a 1-dimensional subspace P can be written as P = |n><n| and the probability becomes p = <psi|n><n|psi> = |<psi|n>|^2
 
The simple version of the above replies is: if there are multiple eigenstates with eigenvalue a, add up the Born probabilities for all those states to get the probability to measure the value a.
 
dextercioby said:
In the general case one should use the spectral decomposition of the self-adjoint operator which describes the observable A, thus one uses projectors. The projector for a subspace belonging to a degenerate eigenvalue (for simplicity, assume the spectrum to be purely a point spectrum) is the sum of each projector according to the rule

I have a question Dexter,

If the projector of a subspace which belongs to a generate eigenvalue, can one say that the projector is a type of generator of those which belong in the subgroup?
 
I'd interpret Born's rule for a degenerate eigenvalue from the point of view of statistical mechanics. Given a system to be prepared in some state, represented by the statistical operator \hat{R}, we ask the question about the probability (density) to find a specific value a of an observable A, represented by a self-adjoint operator \hat{A}. If |a,\beta \rangle is a complete set of (generalized) eigenvectors of \hat{A} for the eigenvalue a normalized to unity (or to the \delta distribution), then the probability (density) that the system is found in a specific state given by one of these eigenvalues is
P(a,\beta)=\langle a,\beta|\hat{R}|a,\beta \rangle.
This probability can be found experimentally by measuring a complete set of compatible observables (including A).

If you know only measure A you have to sum (integrate) over all the non-measured observables since, because the basis vectors are orthonormalized, the outcomes are mutually exclusive, i.e., you have
P(a)=\sum_{\beta} P(a,\beta) \quad \text{or} \quad \int \mathrm{d} \beta \; P(a,\beta).
So the Born rule for an incomplete measurement in the case of degenerate eigenvalues follows directly from the Born rule for a complete measurement and basic rules of probability theory.
 

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