Bouncing universes and anti matter.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of bouncing universes and the role of antimatter in such models. Participants explore whether antimatter diminishes with each bounce of the universe and the implications of different bounce cosmology models on the emergence of matter and energy fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether antimatter would decrease after each bounce of the universe.
  • One participant suggests that in certain bounce cosmology models, all usual forms of matter might be destroyed, leaving only high-energy photons immediately after a bounce.
  • There is mention of the hypothetical nature of bounce cosmology models, with no current models being proven, though they are gaining interest and may lead to testable predictions.
  • A conjecture is presented that the first energy fields to appear after a bounce could be a scalar field, such as an "inflaton," which is not part of the standard model of particle physics.
  • It is noted that photons are their own antiparticles, which raises questions about the presence of antiparticles immediately after a bounce.
  • Another participant discusses the challenges of constructing a bounce model under current physics, particularly regarding the behavior of gravity and the implications for the universe's curvature post-inflation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and explore multiple competing views regarding the behavior of matter and antimatter in bouncing universe models. No consensus is reached on the specifics of how these processes occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge significant gaps in current knowledge regarding bounce cosmology and the properties of hypothetical fields like the inflaton. The discussion remains speculative, with no definitive answers provided.

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I found this article on anti matter, (far to complex for me to completely understand). what i would like to know is, does this happen at every bounce, or is this (the) start to the universe.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1007/1007.4317v2.pdf.
 
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May be i have not worded this question in a proper way. what i want to know is , if the universe has gone through several bounces would antimatter become less after every bounce .
 
Wolram, it's a reasonable question. I don't know the answer. But even before we can ask your question (regarding some particular bounce model), we have to ask would any matter get through a bounce----any at all?

In some particular bounce cosmology model it might be that all the usual forms of matter are destroyed and, say, only light---only very high energy photons---emerge right after the bounce.

Because newcomers might be reading this thread, we should be sure to mention that no bounce cosmo model has been proven. There is growing interest in them---they are increasingly studied---it appears possible to derive testable predictions---but the tests have not been performed (essentially because new instruments would have to placed in orbit.)

So the question being asked here is hypothetical: assuming some particular bounce cosmology is right (for definiteness say LQC) what are the first energy fields to appear after the bounce, what quantum fields besides the gravitational field itsef?

I think that is very much in the realm of "new physics". It is a fascinating question. Some people conjecture that the first offspring from the bounce would be a "scalar field" of the sort called an "inflaton". (Inflation scenarios are based on that assumption.)
You only get particles and antiparticles when the "inflaton" field decays and self-destructs, giving up its energy. No scalar field has ever been observed. AFAIK the standard model of particle physics has no place in it for such a field. The standard model would have to be enlarged, to encompass something like an "inflaton" and predict its properties.

So it's best to be humble and patient, in the face of major gaps in human knowledge like this. Try to realize how much we don't know.

But we do know that there are no "anti-photons". Or if you like, a photon of light is its own anti-particle. So that gives us a simple way of imagining the U right after the bounce. It could be nothing but expanding geometry and glorious intense light. So no antiparticles---they come a tiny fraction of a second later after the geometry has expanded some and the light has had a chance to cool down a little. This is just a simplified way of picturing---it is conjectural (so please don't hold me to it :biggrin:)
 
Gravitons have no antiparticle equivalent, so it is difficult to construct a bounce model that works under physics as currently known. Under inflation, gravity is repulsive in the very early universe making it possible for an infinite rate of expansion for a very, very brief period of time. This would imply the universe is dead flat after inflation, which is not unreasonable given current observational data. A slight curvature remains a definite possibility and, given nature abhors infinities, suggests the early universe expanded at an enormous, albeit finite rate.
 

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