Boundary between Quantum and Relativity

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The discussion centers on the boundary between quantum physics and general relativity, exploring where one theory ceases to apply and the other begins. Participants examine the relationship between these two fundamental theories, considering both theoretical and conceptual implications.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question where quantum physics ends and general relativity begins, suggesting a possible "quantum of mass" as a boundary.
  • Others argue that quantum physics and relativity are not in opposition, highlighting the role of relativistic quantum field theory as a synthesis of both domains.
  • One viewpoint emphasizes that quantum physics dominates in the microscopic realm where gravitational effects are negligible, while relativity governs the macroscopic world, such as celestial bodies.
  • Another participant asserts that gravity is inherently quantum, suggesting that there is no definitive point of transition between the two theories, and that the nature of physics below the Planck scale remains uncertain.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of developing a theory of quantum gravity, with references to issues like renormalizability.
  • Speculation exists regarding potential future breakthroughs in physics that could redefine our understanding of the relationship between quantum mechanics and general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between quantum physics and general relativity, with no consensus on a clear boundary or transition point. Some advocate for a synthesis of the two theories, while others maintain that both operate in their respective domains without conflict.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding phenomena at or below the Planck scale, and the unresolved nature of quantum gravity theories.

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At what point does quantum physics cease and general relativity take over. Where is the boundary? Is it a quantum of mass?
 
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Quantum and Relativity is not a dichotomy. In relativistic quantum field theory you have both Quantum and Relativity.

Also there is no takeover of general relativity at some point, but the need to find a synthesis of quantum field theory and general relativity.
 
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Quantum Physics and Relativistic Quantum Physics rule in the realm of the microscopic world where the effect of gravitational field is negligible. This means that they can give absolutely satisfying explanations of some phenomena of the microscopic world like quantum tunnelling for example, where relativity alone fails miserably.

On the other hand Relativity takes over in the realm of the macro-macroscopic world that is in the case of planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies and universe as a whole. The main reason for this is that Relativity handles the gravitational field and its effect in the curvature of space-time extremely well, while on the other side a theory of quantum gravity is plagued with many problems (its not re-normalizable as we say in quantum physics).

In between, in our daily lives here on planet earth, both quantum physics and relativity give satisfying explanations though a bit different , in the various phenomena of our daily lives like for example how mobile phones and telecommunications and computers operate. That is because these phenomena can be explained using classical physics, and because quantum physics and relativity are different extensions build on the same core of classical physics.
 
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Everything is quantum including gravity. There is no point where one takes over - its quantum all the way.

Its a misconception that QM and GR are in conflict:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1209.3511

The issue is - what goes on below the Plank scale.

Right now who knows - QM may break down, string theory take over, we simply do not know - yet.

But up until about the Plank scale no-problemo - at least as far as I know. But its likely things will be found where its not true just like statistical mechanics and black-body radiation then we will have a new and likely swift physics revolution - it will be the time of wonder-boy physicists such as a new Einstein, Dirac, Heisenberg etc etc.

Thanks
Bill
 

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