Boundary of closed sets (Spivak's C. on M.)

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Spivak's "Calculus on Manifolds," specifically concerning the identification of interior, exterior, and boundary points of the set U = {x ∈ R^n : |x| ≤ 1}. The original poster is focused on rigorously proving that the boundary of U is the set {x ∈ R^n : |x| = 1} and is seeking clarification on how to demonstrate that any open rectangle containing a boundary point also contains points both in U and outside of U.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to prove that an open rectangle around a boundary point contains points both in U and not in U. They question the implications of the rectangle's dimensions and the positioning of points relative to the boundary.
  • Some participants suggest customizing the definition of boundary points and constructing a smaller rectangle centered around the boundary point to facilitate the proof.
  • There is a discussion about the construction of an open rectangle and ensuring it intersects both U and its complement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various approaches to prove the boundary condition. Some have provided guidance on constructing rectangles and verifying their properties, while the original poster is working through the technical details of the proof.

Contextual Notes

The original poster emphasizes a desire for rigor in their proof, indicating a personal standard for thoroughness in mathematical reasoning. There is also mention of the specific definitions used by Spivak, which may influence the approach taken in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I have been self studying Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds, and in chapter 1, section 2 (Subsets of Euclidean Space) there's a problem in which you have to find the interior, exterior and boundary points of the set
<br /> U=\{x\in R^n : |x|\leq 1\}.<br />
While it is evident that
<br /> \{x\in R^n : |x|\lt 1\},<br /> \{x\in R^n : |x|= 1\},<br /> \{x\in R^n : |x|\gt 1\}<br />
are the interior, boundary and exterior of U, in that order, I am stuck proving it. In particular, I can't quite grasp how to prove rigorously that the set \{x\in R^n : |x|= 1\} is the boundary of U; I need to show that if x is any point in said set, and A is any open rectangle such that x\in A, then A contains a point in U and a point not in U. If x is such that |x|=1, then x\in U, so I know that any open rectangle A about the pointx contains at least one point in U (namely x), how do I know my open rectangle A also contains points for which |x|\gt 1?


Homework Equations



An open rectangle in R^n is a set of the form (a_1,b_1)\times ... \times (a_n,b_n).
Spivak defines interior, exterior and boundary sets using open rectangles, not open balls.


The Attempt at a Solution



It is obvious that the boundary of the n-ball is the n-sphere, and most books wouldn't bother proving it, but I like to be rigorous in my proofs. I am getting stuck in the technical details (how do I know not all points in my open rectangle are equidistant from the origin?, how do I know at least one is "farther away?", that kinda stuff).
 
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Hi SrEstroncio! :smile:

It's good that you want to be rigorous about such a things. So let's see if I can help you prove this.

First, I would like to hear from you how Spivak defined boundary in terms of open rectangles.
 
The points x\in R^n for which any open rectangle A with x\in A contains points in both U and R^n - U are said to be the boundary of U.
 
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SrEstroncio said:
The points x\in R^n for which any open rectangle A with x\in A contains points in both U and R^n - U are said to be the boundary of U.

OK, that definition is slightly uglier than I had hoped for. So we will costumize it a bit. Can you prove that we can take x the center of the rectangle?

That is, we can take

A=[a_1,b_1]\times...\times [a_n,b_n]

such that

x=(\frac{b_1-a_1}{2},...,\frac{b_n-a_n}{2})

How should we prove such a thing? Well, we might might find a rectangle

A^\prime\subseteq A

such that A' has the property that x is the center of the rectangle. Now, if we can prove that A' interesects U and \mathbb{R}^n\setminus U, then A also intersects these sets.

So, try to work this out in detail. This should form the first step.
 
Let R be an open rectangle such that x \in R, R=(a_1,b_1)\times ... \times (a_n,b_n). If x=(x_1,...,x_n), we construct an open rectangle R&#039; with sides smaller than 2\min{(b_i - x_i, x_i-a_i)} for 1\leq i \leq n, and centered about the point x. By construction R&#039; \subset R and this construction can always be done.

To prove the set |x|=1 is the boundary of U, I must take a point for which |x|=1 and let R be any open rectangle containing x, I must now show that R contains points both in U and points which are not on U.
 
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SrEstroncio said:
Let R be an open rectangle such that x \in R, R=(a_1,b_1)\times ... \times (a_n,b_n). If x=(x_1,...,x_n), we construct an open rectangle R&#039; with sides smaller than 2\min{(b_i - x_i, x_i-a_i)} for 1\leq i \leq n, and centered about the point x. This construction can always be done.

Indeed, that's a nice first step. So our situation now is that we have a rectangle

]a_1,b_1[\times...\times ]a_n,b_n[

such that

x=(\frac{b_1-a_1}{2},...,\frac{b_n-a_n}{2})

Now we want to find a point in U. Well, an obvious choice is (a_1,...,a_n). Can you prove that this is in U?

A slight problem however, the point (a_1,...,a_n) does not lie in our rectangle! Can you solve this?
 
Sorry for the inactivity, my computer decided to self-destruct under the heat.

Well, that (a_1,a_2,...,a_n) does not lie in our rectangle centered about the point x is not much of a problem, since said rectangle was constructed inside our original and arbitrary rectangle, not necessarily centered at x, and (a_1,a_2,...,a_n) does lie in it.
 
SrEstroncio said:
Sorry for the inactivity, my computer decided to self-destruct under the heat.

Well, that (a_1,a_2,...,a_n) does not lie in our rectangle centered about the point x is not much of a problem, since said rectangle was constructed inside our original and arbitrary rectangle, not necessarily centered at x, and (a_1,a_2,...,a_n) does lie in it.

Indeed, so that wouldn't pose a problem...
 

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