# Brain Teaser - How does 12=11?

1. Jan 9, 2006

### bbarry9999

The following statement is true:

12=11

There are no mathematical operators (+, −, *, /), exponents, parentheses, etc. missing. How can 12 and 11 be equal?

Hint 1: The given is not false.

Hint 2: How did the first humans count?

2. Jan 9, 2006

### Tide

Would your UserID be a hint? :)

3. Jan 9, 2006

### Plastic Photon

$${\log_{12}}^{11}=x$$

Last edited: Jan 9, 2006
4. Jan 9, 2006

### fargoth

is it one of two equals two of one?

5. Jan 9, 2006

### Tide

HINT: Think 9. :)

6. Jan 10, 2006

### Orefa

I hope the solution is more clever than these:

- the left number is in base 9 notation, or

- the right number is in base 11, or

- the left number is in base-3 while the right one is in base-4, or

- keep changing numeric bases without telling anyone...

:tongue2:

7. Jan 10, 2006

### Plastic Photon

From what everyone else has said, I feel my answer was a bit unsual..would it be more like $${\log_a}^b+{\log_b}^c={\log_a}^c$$?

8. Jan 11, 2006

### pi-r8

The second hint makes me think of counting with my fingers. when you count to two, you can either say "one two" (12) or "one and one" (11). Is that it?

9. Jan 11, 2006

### arildno

You may count spaces between your fingers, rather than the fingers themselves.
Doesn't make the number 12 equal to the number 11, though.

10. Jan 11, 2006

### neurocomp2003

if the solution is simply changing bases then the problem is wrong because in math...you cannot write two bases without indicating one.

11. Jan 20, 2006

### zeta101

I would say that the first humans used thier fingers to count from 1 to 10, and anything above that would be considered "a lot of damn numbers". In this sense, they would consider 12=11=many :-)

The real "answer" is probably having changed based without indicating it though (which is cheating since you said nothing is missing).

12. Jan 20, 2006

### Orefa

...and bbarry9999 chuckled as he walked away, never to return after posting an impossible riddle...

13. Jan 21, 2006

### JasonRox

I ignore One-Posters.

They are a waste of time.

Sometimes it can be an interesting discussion though, like that 1=0.999... thread. :grumpy:

14. Jan 23, 2006

### bao_ho

12 is a name property.
11 is a name property.
the above two instances are properties of a common object.