Brett Crozier, Captain of aircraft carrier fired

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The discussion revolves around the firing of Captain Brett Crozier from the USS Theodore Roosevelt amid the COVID-19 outbreak on the ship. Participants explore the implications of his actions, the terminology used in military contexts regarding his removal, and the broader consequences of his decision to publicize concerns about the health of his crew. The conversation touches on themes of military conduct, whistleblowing, and leadership responsibilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that "fired" in a military context means "relieved of command," suggesting Crozier remains in the Navy but faces diminished career prospects.
  • There is a contention regarding the appropriateness of Crozier's actions, with some viewing him as a whistleblower while others criticize his method of leaking information.
  • Concerns are raised about the decision to allow a port call in Vietnam, which may have contributed to the virus outbreak on the ship.
  • Some argue that Crozier's letter was a necessary action to address the health crisis, while others believe it undermined the chain of command.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Crozier's actions on military readiness and the potential panic among the crew.
  • There is speculation about whether Crozier had disagreements with his superiors and the appropriateness of his communication with higher command.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the military's prioritization of personnel safety over career considerations, labeling Crozier as a "rare hero."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the appropriateness of Crozier's actions or the motivations behind his removal. Disagreements persist regarding the implications of his letter and the responsibilities of military leadership.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight the lack of clarity regarding the chain of command and the potential consequences of Crozier's actions, including the impact on his career and the health of the crew. The conversation reflects varying interpretations of military protocol and the nature of whistleblowing.

  • #91
kent davidge said:
I was reading this news
https://www.thedailybeast.com/navy-...ore-roosevelt-who-begged-for-coronavirus-help

As I'm far from good when it comes to understand english terms... what do they mean by fired? Does it mean just that he is no longer the ship captain or was he fired from the navy?

This one
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ired-over-leak-of-letter-asking-navy-for-help

mentions 'relieved of command', so I'm inclined to think he's still with the navy (?)
If someone is removed from military service, we use 'discharged', rather than 'fired'. In the case of a commissioned officer, his commission could be revoked, but that would be unusual. It might impair the President's authority to recall him to service.
 
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  • #93
kent davidge said:
I was reading this news
https://www.thedailybeast.com/navy-...ore-roosevelt-who-begged-for-coronavirus-help

As I'm far from good when it comes to understand english terms... what do they mean by fired? Does it mean just that he is no longer the ship captain or was he fired from the navy?

This one
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ired-over-leak-of-letter-asking-navy-for-help

mentions 'relieved of command', so I'm inclined to think he's still with the navy (?)
Yes,media beat up! Most likely just demoted or shifted sideways to a nice quiet office job
 
  • #94
LT Judd said:
Yes,media beat up! Most likely just demoted or shifted sideways to a nice quiet office job
You must not be keeping up with the news. The Navy has recommended reinstating him to his position.
 
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Just yesterday the TR had two aviators eject from their F/A-18.
 
  • #98
Vanadium 50 said:
Just yesterday the TR had two aviators eject from their F/A-18.
Why? Do you have a link?
 
  • #99
phinds said:
Why? Do you have a link?

Glad they are safe.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...nge-home-port-from-san-diego-after-deployment
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  • #100
Huh. Not a clue why they had to eject or where the plane went (into the drink, one assumes).
 
  • #101
They realized they forgot their masks and couldn't social distance correctly. No choice but to pull the handles and hope the parachutes didn't come too close... o0)
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Just yesterday the TR had two aviators eject from their F/A-18.
phinds said:
Why?

Oh, I'm sure they had their reasons. :wink:

Seriously, they won't announce why until there's been an investigation, if ever. But this is not something that's done lightly.
 

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