Bringing wind energy to the ground through a giant pitot tube

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed concept for harnessing wind energy using a parachute connected to a tube that leads to a turbine on the ground. Participants explore the feasibility of this idea, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of energy transfer from wind to ground-based systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a system where a parachute creates a low-pressure area that could potentially drive air through a tube to spin a turbine on the ground.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the low-pressure area and questions the practicality of the design, noting the need for a large tube to facilitate sufficient airflow.
  • A later reply suggests that the low-pressure region should be behind the parachute, as it obstructs wind flow.
  • Concerns are raised about the limited pressure behind the parachute, suggesting that the energy generated may be insufficient due to minimal pressure differences.
  • One participant emphasizes that while there is a pressure difference across the parachute, it may not be significant enough to produce useful energy, citing the example of a parachute used for a 200lb person.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and effectiveness of the proposed system, with no consensus reached on its practicality or potential energy output.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight practical challenges such as the need for maintenance of the parachute and tube, as well as the size requirements for effective airflow through the turbine. There are also unresolved questions regarding the modeling and numerical analysis of the concept.

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Ok not a great title, but let me try to explain the idea.
Imagine that you have say a parachute attached to the top of a flag pole. In the center of the parachute a hole is cut and connected to a plastic tube that goes to the ground. When the wind comes up the parachute exerts a drag on the air and this tube connects the low pressure backside of chute to the ground. At the ground level inside the tube is a turbine that will spin as a result of the suction created. To enhance the energy transfer there will be a tube concentrically centered around the low pressure tube that transmits the high pressure air to the underside of the turbine on the ground. Essentially its a giant pitot tube with the parachute acting as a flow obstructor, the two line then transmit differential pressure to the ground. So would it an effective way to transfer wind energy?

The pros would be that you could bring all maintenance to a ground level, and eliminate gigantic tower weights and costs.

I am not certain how to proced modeling or thinking numerically about such an idea. Any ideas?
 
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I can't quite visualize this. I don't see where the low pressure is.

The pros would be that you could bring all maintenance to a ground level, and eliminate gigantic tower weights and costs.

You still need a tower for the parachute, and a plastic tube and a fragile parachute which will need to be repaired. The tube needs to be fairly large because the turbine won't spin unless there is a lot of air moving through it.
 
I've attached a very poor sketch of what I'm thinking. The low pressure region should be behind the parachute since it is blocked off from wind flow.
 

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There isn't much pressure behind the wind so there would be an awful lot of loss.
 
Ignoring the practical details of building it, a basic problem with your thinking is that there is no "pressure drop" behind the HOLE in the parachute where your tube is.

Yes there is a pressure difference between the front and back of the rest of the chute, but even that is a very small pressure. Think about the size of an "old style" circular parachute that is needed to support a 200lb person doing a parachute jump. The pressure difference across the chute is probably less than 1 psi. That is not enough to generate an useful amount of energy.
 

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