Burst period on function generator

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The discussion revolves around the concept of burst period settings on function generators, particularly in relation to the duration of bursts and the intervals between them. Participants explore the implications of these settings in practical applications, including comparisons to other devices like neurostimulators and RADAR systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes confusion regarding the burst period setting on a function generator, questioning how to set a burst period that exceeds the duration of the burst itself.
  • Another participant confirms the initial analysis and draws parallels to a neurostimulator, explaining pulse width and pulse repetition intervals.
  • Further clarification is provided that the burst period is the reciprocal of the Pulse Repetition Frequency (PRF), while the "on burst" refers to the duration of the carrier pulse.
  • A participant presents a calculation based on a paper that uses a 100 Hz PRF and a 30% duty cycle, seeking validation of their mathematical reasoning regarding the number of cycles in a burst.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation presented, indicating agreement with the derived values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships between burst period, pulse width, and PRF, but there is ongoing clarification regarding the implications of these settings in specific contexts. Some calculations and examples are confirmed, while the initial confusion remains a point of discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of terms like burst period and pulse width, which may depend on specific contexts or devices. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the practical implications of these settings in different applications.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals working with function generators, signal processing, or those interested in the technical aspects of pulse modulation and timing in electrical engineering applications.

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Hi,

I am having to refresh my oscilloscope knowledge and am confused about one last function generator setting... Burst period.

If I have 1 cycle at say 700 kHz it is 1.43us. If I set number of cycles to 10 then that is 10 * 1.43us = 14.3us time. This is my ON burst.

So what is the burst period setting? How can I set say a 10ms burst if my ON 'burst' is already 28.6us as defined by my number of cycles and the frequency?

It is defined in the manual as "the time from the start of one burst to the start of next burst". But then in my example, if I set a burst period of 20ms, that means it would be ON for 14.3us and OFF for (20ms - 14.3us), which is a huge OFF time before the next burst. Is that correct?

I'm sure this is simple but I'm getting confused with the setting.

Thanks for any advice.
 
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Your analysis seems correct, for a signal generator module. My neurostimulator TENS unit has similar controls. E.g., after 20ms interval it fires a burst of duration 10us, then repeats the cycle.

In different terms the pulse width covers 10us at a pulse repetition time interval of 20ms.

The pulse width is a measure of the elapsed time between the leading and trailing edges of a single pulse of energy. The measure is typically used with electrical signals and is widely used in the fields of radar and power supplies. There are two closely related measures. The pulse repetition interval measures the time between the leading edges of two pulses but is normally expressed as the pulse repetition frequency (PRF), the number of pulses in a given time, typically a second. The duty cycle expresses the pulse width as a fraction or percentage of one complete cycle.
 
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Klystron said:
Your analysis seems correct, for a signal generator module. My neurostimulator TENS unit has similar controls. E.g., after 20ms interval it fires a burst of duration 10us, then repeats the cycle.

In different terms the pulse width covers 10us at a pulse repetition time of 20ms.

Thank you very much Klystron, I really wasn't so sure.
 
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rwooduk said:
But then in my example, if I set a burst period of 20ms, that means it would be ON for 14.3us and OFF for (20ms - 14.3us), which is a huge OFF time before the next burst. Is that correct?
That is correct. RADAR produces a short pulse having only a few cycles at the carrier frequency, the receiver then listens for sufficient time for the reflection to return from maximum range.
Your "burst period" is the reciprocal of the Pulse Repetition Frequency = PRF.
Your "on burst" is the carrier pulse duration.
 
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Baluncore said:
That is correct. RADAR produces a short pulse having only a few cycles at the carrier frequency, the receiver then listens for sufficient time for the reflection to return from maximum range.
Your "burst period" is the reciprocal of the Pulse Repetition Frequency = PRF.
Your "on burst" is the carrier pulse duration.
Many thanks!
 
Just one, last thing please. I am reading a paper that uses 100 Hz PRF so 10 ms Burst. This with 30% duty cycle (30% on, 70% off). 30% of 10ms is 3 ms. It's at 1.1 MHz so ~909.1 ns per cycle. So in the paper they must have used 3ms/909.1ns ~ 3300 cycles. Does this look like a correct calculation? Thanks again.
 
Fenvelope = 100 pps; Tpulse = 10 ms;
Therefore; 3 ms on, 7 ms off;
3.0 ms * 1.1 MHz = 3300 cycles.
Correct.
 
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Appreciated!
 
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