Bush ignorance of his own marriage amendment

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The discussion revolves around President Bush's proposed amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, specifically focusing on his apparent lack of knowledge regarding the implications for civil unions. Participants explore the nuances of his statements and the broader implications for LGBTQ+ rights.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about Bush's claim of ignorance regarding his own amendment, suggesting it is unlikely given the political context.
  • Others argue that Bush's response could be interpreted as a reasonable uncertainty regarding how courts might interpret the amendment.
  • One participant advocates for legal recognition of gay couples, emphasizing that they should have the same rights as heterosexual couples, despite personal beliefs about marriage in religious contexts.
  • Another participant expresses admiration for Bush's support of civil unions and concerns about potential pressure from far-right factions to alter his stance.
  • There is a request for sources or citations to support claims made in the discussion, indicating a desire for more context around Bush's statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on Bush's knowledge or intentions regarding the amendment, with multiple competing views remaining about his statements and their implications.

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Some participants acknowledge the limitations of their arguments due to the lack of specific sources and the generality of the claims being discussed.

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Bush ignorance of his own "marriage" amendment

When asked recently whether his proposed amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman allowed for civil unions in general - which he had publicly supported - President Bush said he didn't know!
 
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While I agree that gay couples shouldn't be married in church. I think the law should acknowledge them and be given the same rights as a straight couple.
 
russ,

With all of the quotes being thrown at me these past few days, I'm afraid that I have to cite the source generally, as from a television network. I admire President Bush for his support of civil unions, and would be disappointed if he were twisted by the far right to reverse himself.
 
I'd be really surprised if Bush ssaid he "didn't know" in the context Loren Booda indicates he did. This was one of the issues of the campaign for gosh sakes! Even if his position was on the fence - and it wasn't - I doubt Bush would have presented such an unpolished response as just suggested in the context of a full answer.
 
... and least I'm misunderstood. Bush could have sai "I don't know" - but he could have said "I don't know" in the context of whether the higher courts might interpert the marriage amendments. In that context - "I don't know" is the ONLY reasonable response.
 
Loren Booda said:
russ,

With all of the quotes being thrown at me these past few days, I'm afraid that I have to cite the source generally, as from a television network. I admire President Bush for his support of civil unions, and would be disappointed if he were twisted by the far right to reverse himself.
Fair enough - I'm not questioning that he said it (I am quite aware that he's inarticulate and absent-minded), I just like to see context.
 

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