Cabibbo angle for coupling of quark to antiquark?

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The discussion revolves around the coupling constants in weak interactions involving quarks, particularly focusing on the Cabibbo angle and its implications for various quark transitions. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including decay processes and the role of the Z boson in these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the coupling constant for the strange to antidown transition is modified similarly to the strange to down transition, suggesting a dependence on the Cabibbo angle.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of certain quark interactions, specifically questioning the validity of a charm and down quark interaction producing an up quark and antistrange quark.
  • There is a discussion about the role of the Z boson in these interactions, with one participant initially believing it was necessary but later realizing a gluon could mediate the process.
  • Participants discuss the decay of a D+ meson and the correct identification of quark content in the decay products, with one participant correcting a previous error regarding charge conservation.
  • There is a debate about the Cabibbo angle's influence on various vertices, with some participants asserting that the dependence is not the same for all quark transitions.
  • One participant mentions the GIM effect and its relation to the Cabibbo angle, indicating a broader context for the discussion.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the types of W bosons involved in certain decay processes and the conservation of charge in these interactions.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the Cabibbo angle to various quark interactions, and there is no consensus on the specifics of allowed decay processes or the implications of charge conservation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these couplings and interactions.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about charge conservation in decay processes and the specific roles of different bosons in mediating interactions. Some assumptions about quark content and interaction types remain unverified.

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I'm not clear on whether the coupling constant for strange to antidown is modified in the same way as for strange to down, i.e. multiplied by ##\sin(\theta_C)##. And are the coupling constants of interactions mediated by Z also dependent on the Cabibbo angle?

And what happens if you have say a charm and down quark interact via weak to produce an up quark and antistrange quark? The coupling constant is modified at both vertices, multiplied by ##\sin(\theta_C)## in both cases. Decay width is proportional to the coupling constant squared, so does that mean it would then depend on ##sin^4(\theta_C)##?

I've read a textbook (Griffiths Intro to Elementary Particle Physics) which made me ask these questions rather than helping to answer them!
 
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Where do you expect a strange/down or strange/antidown coupling? Where do you see couplings where changing a particle to an antiparticle would work? Which interactions happen with the Z, and where do you expect the Cabibbo angle to be relevant?

In general, couplings don't care about time ordering - particles and antiparticles work the same way.
Kara386 said:
And what happens if you have say a charm and down quark interact via weak to produce an up quark and antistrange quark?
That doesn't work.
But if you fix the quark content, the answer is yes.
 
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mfb said:
Where do you expect a strange/down or strange/antidown coupling? Where do you see couplings where changing a particle to an antiparticle would work? Which interactions happen with the Z, and where do you expect the Cabibbo angle to be relevant?

In general, couplings don't care about time ordering - particles and antiparticles work the same way.
That doesn't work.
But if you fix the quark content, the answer is yes.
I've resolved the Z issue. I was drawing a Feynman diagram for a process I thought could only proceed via Z but actually using a gluon instead worked fine.
In terms of the strange antidown coupling I think I meant up antidown coupling in the decay of a ##D^+## meson to ##K^+ + \pi^+ \pi^+##. So on the diagram I've drawn a line with charm on the left and strange on the right. There's a W boson coming off that line and producing an up and antidown. I know that for an up, down and W boson vertex the Cabibbo angle dependence is ##\sin^2(\theta_C)## and I wondered if it's the same for an up and antidown vertex. And whether up, antidown, W is even an allowed vertex.

On a list of allowed W decay modes, I have ##W \rightarrow s \bar{u}## so I thought ##W \rightarrow u \bar{s}## would be allowed. As to fixing the quark content, how do I do that?
 
Kara386 said:
in the decay of a ##D^+## meson to ##K^+ + \pi^+ \pi^+##
That violates charge conservation, and K+ has an anti-strange, not a strange quark. I guess this should be a K-.
I know that for an up, down and W boson vertex the Cabibbo angle dependence is ##\sin^2(\theta_C)##
It is not, up and down are in the same generation.
And whether up, antidown, W is even an allowed vertex.
Does it conserve charge?
On a list of allowed W decay modes, I have ##W \rightarrow s \bar{u}## so I thought ##W \rightarrow u \bar{s}## would be allowed.
W+ or W-?
As to fixing the quark content, how do I do that?
By writing down the correct quarks involved everywhere.
 
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Kara386 said:
what happens if you have say a charm
GIM effect,does it? I never look at it carefully, but the cham was predicted on grounds of this kinf of cabibbo malabar games.
 
mfb said:
That violates charge conservation, and K+ has an anti-strange, not a strange quark. I guess this should be a K-.
Yes, apologies, typo.
mfb said:
It is not, up and down are in the same generation.
Now that's a silly mistake on my part.
mfb said:
W+ or W-?
Not actually specified. But the ##s \bar{u}## would be a ##W^-## to conserve charge, so ##u \bar{s}## would be ##W^+##. It's an up type and a down type, it conserves charge, and in terms of crossing generations isn't it an allowed diagonal change? I should also mention that I'm imagining both those quarks to be in the final state, so it's the boson decaying to that pair rather than the up interacting with weak to change flavour to an antistrange. Would that work?
 
Kara386 said:
It's an up type and a down type, it conserves charge, and in terms of crossing generations isn't it an allowed diagonal change?
Right.
Kara386 said:
so it's the boson decaying to that pair rather than the up interacting with weak to change flavour to an antistrange. Would that work?
In hadron decays, the W is virtual - it is not an actual W decay. But apart from that: right.
 
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