Calculate a for Triangle ABC & 45° Angle

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The discussion revolves around finding the parameter \( a \) for triangle ABC, defined by points A (-3, -1), B (5, a), and C (3, 13), such that the angle between line segments AB and the median from A to the midpoint of BC is 45 degrees. The focus includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques related to geometry and vector analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the coordinates of the midpoint M of segment BC and then using vector dot products to find the angle between vectors AM and AB.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the resulting equation after applying the dot product condition for a 45-degree angle.
  • A suggestion is made to simplify the equation by squaring it and substituting variables to make it more symmetrical.
  • One participant reports successfully solving the equation using squaring and Horner's method, identifying real roots of -1 and -21.
  • Another participant inquires about Horner's method, indicating a lack of familiarity with the technique.

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Participants generally agree on the approach of using vector analysis and dot products to solve the problem. However, there is no consensus on the simplification methods or the correctness of the derived equations, as some participants question specific values used in calculations.

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Participants mention potential simplifications and alternative methods, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of the equations involved or the assumptions made during calculations.

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Points A (-3, -1), B (5, a), C (3, 13) are vertices of a triangle. Find the values ​​of parameter a for which the angle between AB and the median, passing through A is equal to 45 degrees.
 
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hi ferry2! :wink:

show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
Let the median is AM. I started with calculating the coordinates of the point M which is M(\frac{5+3}{2}, \frac{a+13}{2})\Rightarrow M(4, \frac{a+13}{2}). Then I calculate the dot product of \vec{AM} \vec{AB}. To be an angle \angle (\vec{AM}, \vec{AB})=45 degrees should \vec{AM} \vec{AB}=|\vec{AM}||\vec{AB}|*\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}. And here comes my difficulty. I get very complicated equation. What wrong?
 
ferry2 said:
… I get very complicated equation. What wrong?

looks ok …

what equation did you get? :smile:

(btw, you could have used (8, a + 13) instead of (4, (a + 13)/2) :wink:)
 
Well \vec{AB}(8, a+1), \vec{AM}(7, \frac{15+a}{2}) \Rightarrow \vec{AM}\vec{AB}=56+\frac{1}{2}(a+1)(15+a)

|\vec{AM}||\vec{AB}|=\sqrt{64+(a+1)^2}\sqrt{16+\frac{(15+a)^2}{4}}

Then \vec{AM}\vec{AB}=|\vec{AM}||\vec{AB}|\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \Leftrightarrow 56+\frac{1}{2}(a+1)(15+a)=\sqrt{64+(a+1)^2}\sqrt{16+\frac{(15+a)^2}{4}}\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}

How to solve this?
 
(shouldn't that 16 be 49?)

you could simplify that last equation by squaring it,

also you could make it more symmetrical by substituting b = a + 8
 
Thanks a lot. I solved by squaring and then I apply Horner's method. The real root's are -1 and -21.
 
ooooh … what's Horner's method ? :smile:
 
http://math.fullerton.edu/mathews/n2003/hornermod.html is the Horner's method.
 
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