Calculate pH of NaF Solutions | 0.30 M

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a 0.30 M solution of sodium fluoride (NaF), focusing on the hydrolysis reactions involved and the resulting equilibrium. Participants explore the implications of the hydrolysis of fluoride ions (F-) in water and its relationship to pH, with varying approaches to the problem.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the hydrolysis reaction involves NaF and water, producing HF and NaOH, but later corrects the reaction to NaF + H2O <--> NaOH + HF.
  • Another participant argues that Na+ is a spectator ion and that F- acts as a base, reacting with water to establish an equilibrium, which does not produce equivalent amounts of HF.
  • There is a discussion on whether it is appropriate to assume a concentration of 0.30 M for NaOH produced from the hydrolysis, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the correctness of this assumption.
  • A participant mentions the need to calculate pOH and then derive pH from it, while questioning the method of calculating the concentration of OH- from the known initial concentration of F-.
  • One participant indicates that this problem is a standard type involving the pH of a salt derived from a strong base and a weak acid, suggesting the use of mass and charge conservation equations to solve for [H+] or [OH-].
  • There is clarification that HF is a weak acid in dilute solution, despite its properties in concentrated form, which may lead to confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct hydrolysis reaction and the implications for calculating pH. There is no consensus on the method for determining the concentration of hydroxide ions or the appropriate approach to calculating pH from the hydrolysis of NaF.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of correctly identifying the species in solution and their concentrations, as well as the need for equilibrium considerations. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculation of pH and the assumptions made about the concentrations of the species involved.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the pH of the following solutions: (caution: these are hydrolysis reactions)

a. an 0.30 M solution of NaF

Homework Equations



I think by hydrolysis reactions they mean that each of the given compounds is combined with $H_2O$.

Then for
a) NaF + HF <--> NaF + H_2O

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the molar ratios of the equation above are all 1:1:1:1, HF also has 0.30M. Then shouldn't it be $-\log_{10}0.30$?
 
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No, your hydrolysis reaction is wrong.

Na+ is just a spectator, F- is a base, it reacts with water. This is an equilibrium reaction, so it doesn't produce equivalent amount of HF. Plus, pH is -log([H+]), and concentration of H+ is not the same as the concentration of HF.

Hint: what is produced in the reaction of F- with water? How is it related to the pH?
 
whoops I meant NaF + H_2O <--> NaOH + HF
 
So NaOH? That's a base so if I find pOH I can do 14-pOH to get pH... or is there something else?
 
Can I still say that there are 0.30 M of NaOH? But I'm guessing not because doing that and then doing -log and then subtracting it from 14 doesn't get me the right answer still...
 
First of all - the reaction you wrote is quite close to what you need but write it as net ionic reaction, as I said earlier, Na+ is just a spectator.

And yes, calculating pOH is the right thing to do. Can you think of a way of calculating concentration of OH- from known initial concentration of F-? It is not much different from calculating concentration of H+ from known Ka and concentration of a weak acid.
 
This is just a standard type of problem of calculating the pH of a salt of a strong base and weak acid. It would be the same calculation except for the numbers for sodium acetate. For that you need to know a pK of HF. You need to write out the ionic dissociation which you haven't yet. You'd need to either (for me fastest) consider the species present in solution in significant concentration, write out the equations for mass conservation, for charge conservation, for equilibrium and solve for [H+] or [OH-] using any acceptable approximations. Or go to the approximately one page in a textbook where this and similar calculations are explained.

HF can be a bit confusing because I said this is a weak acid, but you may have associations that make it a nasty strong acid. That however Is pure concentrated HF which is of different nature because of HF molecules' self associations (explained Wikipedia or other sources). Here you are in dilute enough aqueous solution and HF there is a weak acid.
 

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