Calculate the pH of 20.00 mL of 0.20 M KHP

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a solution containing 20.00 mL of 0.20 M potassium hydrogen phthalate (KHP). Participants explore the implications of dissociation constants and the methods used for pH calculation, focusing on the relevance of the first and second dissociation steps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation attempt for the pH using the equation k = [H][P]/[HP] and arrives at a pH of 3.05, questioning whether the discrepancy with the homework answer is due to rounding or another issue.
  • Another participant suggests that either the pK1 value or the K1 value might be incorrect, indicating that the first dissociation is likely more significant than the second in this context.
  • A different participant critiques the approach of focusing solely on the second dissociation step, arguing that it neglects hydrolysis, which is essential for accurate pH calculation.
  • One participant finds the linked discussion on pH calculation clearer than previous materials, indicating a preference for the clarity of the new resources over older textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of the first versus second dissociation steps in calculating pH, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct approach or values to use.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the accuracy of the dissociation constants and the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the significance of hydrolysis in the pH determination.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the pH of 20.00 mL of 0.20 M KHP.

Given: pKa1(H2P)= 2.950 pKa2(H2P)= 5.408

Homework Equations



k = [H][P]/[HP]

The Attempt at a Solution



I used this equation and got:

3.91e-6 = [x][x]/[.2]

x^2 = 7.82e-7

x = 8.8e-4 = [H]

pH = 3.05

However, my homework is telling me this is incorrect. Is it just a rounding issue or is it something else? Any help is much appreciated.
 
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Either your pK1 value is wrong OR your K1 value is wrong. Fix the wrong one and you may be able to improve your result. I base my comment on the idea that the first dissociation is far more important than the second dissociation in the solution just containing the dissolved KHP. I may be incorrect in this judgement (while still relearning).
 
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This is Ka2 and pKa2. w330 tries to base calculations only on the second dissociation step, ignoring hydrolysis. As explained on the linked page this is incorrect approach.

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Borek, the discussion in your hyperlink in the post was interesting, and a little clearer than the discussion in the old analyitical textbook I read yesterday. Something almost like it was also shown in an old General Chemistry textbook. I have not seen much of that type of exercise for a long, long time.
 


In a way I am like an old analytical chemistry textbook
 

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