Calculating Age of Fossil Using 14C/12C Ratio

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The discussion revolves around calculating the age of a fossil using the ratio of 14C to 12C. Participants explore the implications of the measured ratio, the half-life of 14C, and the necessary calculations to determine the fossil's age, including error analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation of the fossil's age based on the 14C/12C ratio and questions why the calculated age appears to be less than the half-life of 14C.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the percentage of original 14C remaining in the sample.
  • A participant notes the lack of data for the amount of 14C left in the sample and expresses confusion over how to calculate it with the given ratios.
  • There is a query about the correctness of the calculated ages based on the half-lives used.
  • One participant suggests a method to calculate the moles of 14C in living tissue based on the given ratios and questions the relevance of Avogadro's number in the calculations.
  • Another participant argues that while Avogadro's number may seem irrelevant, starting with a known quantity can aid understanding, and emphasizes the importance of the given ratio of 14C to 12C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and the implications of the results. There is no consensus on the correctness of the ages calculated or the relevance of certain approaches, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the available data, such as the absence of information on the remaining 14C in the sample and the potential impact of rounding in calculations. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the relevance of certain constants in the context of the problem.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in radiocarbon dating, the principles of radioactive decay, and the mathematical approaches to age determination in paleontology.

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Homework Statement



Determine how old is a fossile where a 14C/12C ratio of 6.1 x 10^-13 is measured. 14C desintegration has a half-life of 5760 +- 40 years and proportion 14C/12C in living tissue is 1.17 x 10^-12. Determine the error in your calculation.

Homework Equations



Radioactive decay equation N=N0 exp(-kt/T)


The Attempt at a Solution



If N0= 1.17x10^-12
N = 6.1x10^-13
k= 0.693
T = 5800 or 5720

Solving in the equation gives

t= 5451 years for 5800 half-life and
t= 5376 years for 5720 half-life.

But inst supposed to be more years than the half-life of 14C?
I don't understand please help me.
 
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element1945 said:
But inst supposed to be more years than the half-life of 14C?

Why? Please elaborate.

What percentage of the original 14C is left in the sample?
 
Ok in the problem there's no data for 14C left in the sample. the only facts are the ratio in the sample: 6.1x10^-13, and the ratio of a living tissue: 1.17x10^-12. how to i calculate the 14C left in the sample? and there's the half-life...there are no other facts :(
 
do the ages that i calculate are correct?
 
Imagine you have 1 mole of carbon in the sample. From given ratios, how many moles of 14C should be present in this amount of carbon in living tissue? How many moles will be present in the 1 mole of carbon from the fossil?

Ages look OK, although you have probably used rounded down k for calculations, thus my results are about a 1 or 2 years higher.
 
The moles of 14C in the living tissue are

(1.17 atoms 14C / 6.023x10^23 atoms) x 1 mol = 1.94x10^-24 mol

I am correct?
 
element1945 said:
The moles of 14C in the living tissue are

(1.17 atoms 14C / 6.023x10^23 atoms) x 1 mol = 1.94x10^-24 mol

I am correct?
Wrong track - Avogadro number etc. irrelevant. You are given what something - it almost doesn't matter what it is - is now i.e. starts off as, what it has decayed to in a sample, and the time it takes it to decay to half what of whatever it started as. At least a ballpark for the object's age you should be able to tell us straight off. Tell us. It might jog you mind for what you have to do for more refined calculation.
 
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epenguin said:
Wrong track - Avogadro number etc. irrelevant.

While it is irrelevant, starting with known quantity often helps to understand what is going on. In the end Avogadro number will cancel out, but for many beginners it is much easier to compare well defined amounts of substance, than some abstract percentages and/or proportions.

Still, element1945 - you are wrong. You are told that

[tex]\frac {number of ^{14}C atoms} {number of ^{12}C atoms} = 1.17*10^{-12}[/tex]
 
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