Calculating Binding Energy & Forming Deuteron Nucleus

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of binding energy and the time it takes to form a deuteron nucleus. Participants explore theoretical aspects, analogies with atomic processes, and specific calculations related to nuclear reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the time of binding energy and the formation time of a deuteron nucleus.
  • Another participant suggests that the formation is instantaneous, likening it to quantum processes involving photons and electron transitions.
  • A different participant proposes that estimates for binding time can be made using the effective sizes of nuclei and principles like the speed of light and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, but agrees with the instantaneous nature of the process.
  • One participant introduces a specific time calculation related to the liquid-drop model for U-235 fission, indicating a different context from deuteron formation.
  • Another participant provides a formula for calculating time but expresses confusion over its application and results.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on the correct interpretation of the formula used for time calculation.
  • A participant acknowledges a printing mistake in a referenced book that affected their understanding of the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the formation of a deuteron nucleus is effectively instantaneous, but there is disagreement regarding the specific calculations and contexts related to binding energy and nuclear reactions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions behind the calculations and the interpretations of the formulas presented. The discussion also highlights the distinction between deuteron formation and induced fission processes.

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How can the time of binding energy be calculated?If so how long does it take to form deuteron nucleus?
 
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I would say that it is an instantanious process, science only one gamma (photon) is emitted with 2.22MeV.

If one does the analogy with electrons in atoms, your question would also be "How long time does it get for an electron to be recombined to an ion" or "how long time does it get for the electron at n =3 to 'fall' to n = 1 level".

These are quantum states, and one should instead talk about the probability that a deutron is formed under certain circumstances (i.e. density of nucleons, temperature etc).
 
nez said:
How can the time of binding energy be calculated?If so how long does it take to form deuteron nucleus?
Or one could ask, how long does it take for a free neutron to bind with a proton to form a deuteron. Well - can make estimates based on our understanding of effective sizes of nuclei and use something like the speed of light or Heisenberg's uncertainty principle to provide a rough approximation.

But as malawi_glenn indicated, for all intents and purposes, it's instantaneous.
 
I will rephrase my question: According to liquid-drop model scientists have calculated the time(10 to the power of -14)sec for the first splitting of U-235 after being bombarded by neutron.How did they do it?
 
That is a totally different question. From deutron formning to induced fission.
 
Sorry for misleading.The expression I know for calculation is
t=10^-21×10^7.85E sec, where E=19.0-0.36Z^2/A, but I couldn't get the answer (10^-14)sec!
 
is it 10^(7.85E) or 10^(7.85) * E ? Be careful how you write formulas here.If I use the latter form, i got [tex]4.5\cdot 10^{-13} s[/tex]
 
Thank you very much malawi glenn. I was looking for this answer. It was the book's printing mistake.
 

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