Calculating Charge Carrier Density and Average Speed in a Copper Wire

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This discussion focuses on calculating the charge carrier density and average speed of free charge in a copper wire with a cross-sectional area of 3 mm² and a length of 30 cm. The relevant formula used is I = naqv, where I is the current (3 A), n is the charge carrier density, a is the cross-sectional area, q is the charge, and v is the drift velocity. The participants clarify the volume conversion from mm³ to m³ and discuss the method for determining the number of free electrons in the wire, emphasizing the importance of using the correct density and atomic volume calculations.

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An end of chapter question that i don't really know how to do..

Question:
A copper connecting wire has a cross-sectional area of 3mm^2 and is 30cm long. (A) Estimate the amount of free charge in this wire. (B) How long will it take for all this free charge to pass through the wire when a current of 3 A flows? (C) Hence find the average speed at which this free charge moves.


Well i know the formula i have to use is; I=naqv where

I = Current
N = Charge carrier density
Q = Charge
V = Drift velocity.

It tells me in the chapter that the atoms of copper have a diameter of 0.25 nm

I need to work out the amount of atoms in a volume of (3mm^2 x 30cm) which equals: 3mm^2 x 300mm = 900mm^3 . = 0.9 m

so now to work out the number of atoms its 0.9 / .25nm = 3.6 x 10^9
then cube that = 4.6656 x 10^28 atoms per 0.9m cubed

actually i don't think ill go further just yet, but are things looking good upto this point??

Help REALLY! appreciated

Regards,
Mo
 
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The volume of the wire is indeed 900mm^{3}.However,you've mistaken the conversion into cubic meters...
1mm^{3}=(1mm)^{3}=(10^{-3}m)^{3}=10^{-9}m^{3}

Redo your calculations...

Daniel.
 
Thanks for the reply.

So 900 mm cubed is actually 0.729m cubed.Is this correct?
 
Nope.I told you:
1mm cubed------------------------>10^{-9}m cubed
900mm cubed---------------------->"x" m cubed...

Find "x"...

Daniel.
 
oh lol.ok. 9 x 10^-7
 
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Perfect,now move on to the next step:the # of free charges (electrons) in the copper wire.

Daniel.
 
Ok thanks. But how am i going to do that now then?

I have a volume.

i know the diameter of 1 copper atom. do i need to find the volume of one copper atom, and then divide the total volume by the volume of 1 copper atom, to find out how many copper atoms i have?

after that (well in the book anway) it says "assume 1 free electron per atom".

??
 
You needn't know the diameter of the copper atom...Just the density.

1atom Cu------------------------->64*1.66*10^{-27}kg
"y" atoms Cu----------------------> V_{wire} ([m^{3}])*rho_{wire}([kg/m^{3}])

Find "y"...Then the # of free electrons.

Daniel.
 
Thanks for the reply.I don't mean to sound rude, however i do not think this is what they expect me to do.

Im sure its also correct, however the method in the book (and the one i need to know for the exams) achieves this without needing to know the density.

In the example in the workbook they find the charge carrier density for 1 m.They do so why dividing this 1 m by 0.25 nm and then cubing that, then they assume 1 electron per atom.

I think it would be best if i asked my teacher cause he knows what method the exam board wants.

Thanks for all your help anyway, and sorry for wasting your time!

Regards,
Mo
 
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I don't know.It looks much more simple & fair through my method.And besides,the density of copper is much more familiar than the average atomic radius...

Daniel.
 

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