Calculating dark energy and matter density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating dark energy and matter density at various ages of the universe, exploring the necessary input data and methods for such calculations. Participants engage in technical reasoning related to cosmological models and equations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the necessary input data for calculating dark energy and matter density, emphasizing that age of the universe alone is insufficient.
  • There is a suggestion that additional parameters such as dark energy density, matter density, or redshift are needed for accurate calculations.
  • Some participants propose that the scaling of matter or dark energy density with the scale factor can be computed, but actual density calculations require knowledge of the Hubble parameter and the current energy density ratios.
  • Integration of the Friedmann equations is mentioned as a method to connect the scale factor to the age of the universe, with requests for clarification on how to perform this integration.
  • Some participants express difficulty in finding resources that explain the integration of the Friedmann equations in relation to the age of the universe.
  • There is a discussion about the variation of dark energy over time, with one participant clarifying that they are referring to the changing comparative percentages of dark energy and matter rather than absolute density changes.
  • Links to external resources are shared, which some participants believe may provide insights into the distribution changes of dark energy and matter over time, although there is disagreement about the adequacy of these resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the sufficiency of the proposed input data or the clarity of the resources shared. There are competing views on how to approach the calculations and the interpretation of the resources provided.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the integration of the Friedmann equations and the specific relationship between redshift and the age of the universe. There are also limitations noted in the resources shared, particularly regarding their ability to illustrate the changes in dark energy and matter distribution over time.

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What is the easiest way to calculate dark energy and matter density at any given age of the universe?
 
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Given what input data?
 
Orodruin said:
Given what input data?
Age of the universe.
 
Ranku said:
Age of the universe.
That is clearly not sufficient.
 
Orodruin said:
That is clearly not sufficient.
Hmm...I am trying to calculate how the density of dark energy and matter varies over the age of the universe.
 
So I ask again what input data you want to use.
 
Orodruin said:
So I ask again what input data you want to use.
Then, in addition to age of the universe, either dark energy or matter density, or redshift.
 
You can easily compute how matter or dark energy density scales with the scale factor (and therefore with redshift). In order to know the actual density and how redshift relates to the age of the universe you must know the Hubble parameter today as well as the current ratio between the energy densities.
 
Orodruin said:
You can easily compute how matter or dark energy density scales with the scale factor (and therefore with redshift). In order to know the actual density and how redshift relates to the age of the universe you must know the Hubble parameter today as well as the current ratio between the energy densities.
So using the Friedmann equation.
 
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Yes, you need to integrate the Friedmann equations to connect the scale factor to the age of the universe.
 
  • #11
Orodruin said:
Yes, you need to integrate the Friedmann equations to connect the scale factor to the age of the universe.
Could you show how - not quite sure how to do it.
 
  • #12
This should be described in any introductory level textbook on cosmology that discusses the Friedman equations.
 
  • #13
Orodruin said:
This should be described in any introductory level textbook on cosmology that discusses the Friedman equations.
Looked into a few, but couldn't find the "integration of the Friedman equations to connect with age of the universe".
 
  • #14
Ranku said:
Hmm...I am trying to calculate how the density of dark energy and matter varies over the age of the universe.
I think it's a good question, Ranku. Why do you think Dark Energy varies over the age of the universe?
 
  • #15
Lindsayforbes said:
I think it's a good question, Ranku. Why do you think Dark Energy varies over the age of the universe?
I was referring to how the comparative percentage of dark energy and matter changes over time - not in absolute terms, where only matter density decreases over time.
 
  • #16
While you are talking about change in density, you still might find these two links of interest which look at the change in distribution of dark energy and matter over time-

http://www.einsteins-theory-of-relativity-4engineers.com/cosmocalc_2010.htm
adjust the redshift to see how the distribution of matter and dark energy has changed over the years

https://preposterousuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/skytel-mar05.pdf
a great article by Sean Carroll that looks at dark energy and mentions the past and future distribution of dark energy
 
  • #18
Bandersnatch said:
Ugh, man. Use the newest version. You're missing out on cool features, including graphing.

Thanks for the input, while this is more up to date, unless I'm missing something, this doesn't show how the distribution of dark energy and matter has changed over the age of the universe which is what I wanted to point out.
 
  • #19
But it does!
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