Calculating Energy of Th-232 Nuclear Reaction

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Homework Statement



Th-232 ---> He-4 + Ra-228 + energy

How much is the energy?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



my solution is this:

[m(Th-232)-90m(electron)] - m(He-4) - [8m(Ra-228)-88m(electron)]

My book skipped the electrons, why?
 
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Drizzy said:

Homework Statement



Th-232 ---> He-4 + Ra-228 + energy

How much is the energy?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



my solution is this:

[m(Th-232)-90m(electron)] - m(He-4) - [8m(Ra-228)-88m(electron)]

My book skipped the electrons, why?
What's the mass of an electron compared to the mass of say, a proton?
 
SteamKing said:
What's the mass of an electron compared to the mass of say, a proton?
veeeeeeery small
 
Drizzy said:
veeeeeeery small
So if you took 88 veeery small electrons and put them together, would you have something which approached the mass of even 1 proton?
 
SteamKing said:
So if you took 88 veeery small electrons and put them together, would you have something which approached the mass of even 1 proton?

no :P but my friend is saying that they skipped the electrons because there are 88 electrons before the decay and equally as much after. but if that was the case then I should be able to write the mass of the electrons and then cross them off because they cancel out each other
 
Drizzy said:
no :P but my friend is saying that they skipped the electrons because there are 88 electrons before the decay and equally as much after. but if that was the case then I should be able to write the mass of the electrons and then cross them off because they cancel out each other

Can someone tell me if my friend is right?
 
Drizzy said:
[m(Th-232)-90m(electron)] - m(He-4) - [8m(Ra-228)-88m(electron)]

My book skipped the electrons, why?

Firstly, I think there should not be a 8(the blue one)here.

Secondly, I doubt if the red 88 is true. In alpha decay, a positive helium nucleus without electrons is emitted and the 90 electrons in Th-232 should be retained in the Ra-228 formed. Thus, they are fully canceled out.

By the way, from what I have learnt, we focus on the mass defect inside the nucleus when calculating the energy released from nuclear reactions, so we don't consider the electrons.

Correct me if I was mistaken though.