Calculating Force of Gravitational Attraction: Mass M, m, Distance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the gravitational force of attraction between two masses, M and m, at different distances. The original poster provides specific values for distance and force and seeks to determine the new force when one mass is tripled and the distance is doubled.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for the gravitational constant in the equation and suggest setting up a ratio between the forces to find the solution. There is confusion regarding how to solve for the masses when both are unknown. Some participants propose dividing the equations for the forces to derive a relationship between them.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of ratios and the gravitational constant. Participants are exploring different approaches to relate the two conditions of the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the gravitational constant being constant across the two scenarios, which may influence the approach to solving the problem. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between the masses and the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



When the distance separating two masses, M and m, is 1.2 x 10^10 m, the gravitational force of attraction is 5.0 N. If the mass of M becomes 3M and the separation distance becomes
2.4 x 1010 m, what will be the force?


Homework Equations


Fg=MaMb/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution


since i have r and Fg (first part of question) i tried solving for the masses. but how do i solve for both when i need at least one to solve the other/??
 
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You're missing the gravitational constant in your equation. I suggest setting up a ratio between the two forces and see what happens.
 
huh? I am still kinda confused..
 
You know : [tex]F_1 = \frac{{GM_1 m_1 }}{{r_1 ^2 }}[/tex] and that [tex]F_2 = \frac{{GM_2 m_2 }}{{r_2 ^2 }}[/tex].

What do you get when you divide the second equation by the first, that is: [tex]\frac{{F_2 }}{{F_1 }}[/tex].

You know:

[tex]\[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> M_2 = 3M_1 \\ <br /> m_1 = m_2 \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \][/tex]

along with the actual initial force, [tex]F_1[/tex]. You can solve for the ratio of forces which will tell you what [tex]F_2[/tex] is.
 
or, use this EASIER way :

for the first condition, and the second condition, the gravitational constant is always the same.
[tex]G=G[/tex]

You have known what the value of F is :
[tex]F=\frac{GMm}{r^2 }[/tex]
and, the value of G is :
[tex]G=\frac{Fr^2 }{Mm}[/tex]

you can make it like this :
[tex]G=G[/tex]
[tex]\frac{Fr1^2 }{M1m1}=\frac{Fr2^2 }{M2m2}[/tex]
substitute the variable ( like M2 to 3 Mi ) and you can eliminate the variable. At last, there will be an equation like F2 = k.F1
 

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