Calculating Mass of Sand Grains with Given Surface Area for Physics Problem

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The problem involves calculating the mass of grains of fine California beach sand, modeled as spheres with a specified radius and density, to match a given total surface area equivalent to that of a cube with a side length of 1.0 m. The context is rooted in geometry and physics principles, particularly involving surface area and volume calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the surface area formula for spheres and the relationship between mass, volume, and density. There are attempts to calculate the surface area of individual sand grains and the total surface area needed. Some participants express confusion about unit conversions and the implications of their calculations.

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There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with some participants providing hints and corrections regarding unit conversions and mathematical operations. Multiple interpretations of the radius and surface area calculations are being discussed, and participants are questioning their understanding of the problem setup.

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Participants are grappling with unit conversions, particularly from micrometers to meters, and the implications of these conversions on their calculations. There is a noted concern about the accuracy of the radius used in calculations, which affects subsequent results.

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Homework Statement


Grains of fine California beach sand are approximately spheres with an average radius of 50 μm and are made of silicon dioxide, which has a density of 2.5 × 10^3 kg/m^3. What mass of sand grains would have a total surface area (the total area of all the individual spheres) equal to the surface area of a cube 1.0 m on an edge?


Homework Equations


I think I need to use Surface area of sphere A=4pir^2, but no equation was given.


The Attempt at a Solution


First I did 4x3x(5e-8)^2 = 3e-16m^2 to find surface area of individual sphere. Then I got 6 by doing surface area of a cube = 6(1)^2. I divided 6m^2 by 3e-16m^2 (Correct me I'm even getting the units right which I don't believe so). Then I got 2e16 (units?). Finally I multiply that by 2.5e3 kg/m^3 and get 5e19. All I know is that the units for final answer is kg, so m^3 gets canceled out some how.

P.S. This is for my general physics calc based class and I feel extremely dumb... If I am having trouble with these problems is that an indicator that I shouldn't be taking this class? I've taken Calc 1 at my community college a year ago, and I did well in that, but now I'm taking Calc 2 and this and I feel like I don't know anything. I don't have a major, but I hear physics course is good to take no matter. This and the algebra physics are basic physics courses so if I'm not doing well here does that mean I can't do physics?
 
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Gattz said:

Homework Statement


Grains of fine California beach sand are approximately spheres with an average radius of 50 μm and are made of silicon dioxide, which has a density of 2.5 × 10^3 kg/m^3. What mass of sand grains would have a total surface area (the total area of all the individual spheres) equal to the surface area of a cube 1.0 m on an edge?


Homework Equations


I think I need to use Surface area of sphere A=4pir^2, but no equation was given.


The Attempt at a Solution


First I did 4x3x(5e-8)^2 = 3e-16m^2 to find surface area of individual sphere. Then I got 6 by doing surface area of a cube = 6(1)^2. I divided 6m^2 by 3e-16m^2 (Correct me I'm even getting the units right which I don't believe so). Then I got 2e16 (units?). Finally I multiply that by 2.5e3 kg/m^3 and get 5e19. All I know is that the units for final answer is kg, so m^3 gets canceled out some how.

P.S. This is for my general physics calc based class and I feel extremely dumb... If I am having trouble with these problems is that an indicator that I shouldn't be taking this class? I've taken Calc 1 at my community college a year ago, and I did well in that, but now I'm taking Calc 2 and this and I feel like I don't know anything. I don't have a major, but I hear physics course is good to take no matter. This and the algebra physics are basic physics courses so if I'm not doing well here does that mean I can't do physics?

You should be fine in class. It takes a bit of problem solving to get the hang of it, so just keep on working problems.

Hint #1 -- you need to use: mass = volume * density That is where the m^3 term is handled.

Hint #2 -- there was a very similar thread about this problem a few days ago in this forum...
 
Okay, I tried doing M=VxD. V=(4/3)pi(5e7)^3 I got the 5e7 by doing 50um/10^-6. So volume is now 5.24e23 m^3. Now I multiplied that by the density (I see that the m^3 cancels), and I get 1.31e27 kg. Now I'm very confused... A grain of sand weighing that much?? What did I do wrong?

Edit - I see what I did. I did 50/10^-6 instead of 50/10^6.
 
Your value for the radius of the sand grains appears to be off by a factor of 1000.
 
Wait what do you mean? I got 5e-5 meters as the radius. You mean it's suppose to be 5e-8 or 5e-2?
 
Gattz said:
Wait what do you mean? I got 5e-5 meters as the radius. You mean it's suppose to be 5e-8 or 5e-2?

50um = 50*10^-6m = 5*10^-?m
 
BTW, you also used 3 for PI in the original post. You should at least use 3.14.
 
5e-5 m.
 
Correct.
 
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Now found surface area 3.14e-8m^2 and divided 1m by that. So that would turn out to be 3.18e7/m. Then I took that multiplied by 6 and got 1.91e8 kg. And got .25kg. Is this right or wrong?

Okay that seems to be right, but can someone go over the units for what I just did? I think I got lost somewhere along that.
 
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Gattz said:
Wait what do you mean? I got 5e-5 meters as the radius. You mean it's suppose to be 5e-8 or 5e-2?

You wrote 5e-8; maybe just a typo.
 
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Oh yeah, in the first post my work was all wrong.
 

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