Calculating Material Dimensions for a Semi-Circular Window Rainbow

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dimensions needed for materials to create a rainbow effect in a semi-circular window. Participants are trying to clarify measurements and the geometry of the window, which includes a half-circle shape and a center circle, while addressing ambiguities in the original post.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the dimensions needed for cutting materials for a semi-circular window described as having a diameter of 69" and a center circle of 25" width and 12" height.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "blind slats," suggesting they might refer to opaque spokes and noting the need to consider their thickness in calculations.
  • Several participants point out inconsistencies in the measurements provided, such as the radius of the center circle conflicting with its diameter.
  • There is a discussion about whether the window is being viewed in plan or elevation, with participants expressing confusion over the distinction and its relevance to the problem.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a visual reference to better understand the window's geometry and the proposed rainbow design.
  • Another participant highlights that the flat edge of the semi-circle may not cut directly through the center, suggesting that real-world measurements could differ from mathematical assumptions.
  • There is a debate over whether the "half circle" mentioned could be a 175-degree arc, which could reconcile the conflicting measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are ambiguities in the original measurements and descriptions, but no consensus has been reached on the correct interpretation of the window's geometry or the necessary calculations for the materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that real-world objects may have non-zero thicknesses that could affect measurements and calculations. The discussion remains open-ended, with several unresolved mathematical and geometric considerations.

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Hello math wizards!!!!!

I have a half circle window in my home that I'm trying to cut material for to make a rainbow.

Window across is 69"

All blind slats around the arc are 22.25"

At the bottom of the window there is a Center Circle that is 12 tall and 25 width

What length, width and arc would I need to cut each of the 6 pieces of material?

In advance, Thank you SOOOOO MUCH
 
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Welcome to PF. :smile:

Could you upload a picture of this window area? I'm having a hard time picturing it from your description. Just use the "Attach files" link below the Edit window to upload a JPEG or PDF copy of your picture. Thanks.
 
This is what we've got so far from your description.


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I'm not sure what a blind slat is - I think you are referring to the solid opaque spokes. Presumably, they have a non-zero thickness (unless they really are edge-on metal slats), which will have to be factored in.

There are some other ambiguities:
  • Your measurement of the centre half circle's radius (12") and its diameter (25") disagree by a half inch.
  • The length of the blind slats (22.25") disagrees with the difference of the semicircles (69"-25"=) 22" by a quarter of an inch.

There are likely all resolved because this is a real world object with non-zero thicknesses (thickneces?) but we'll need a pic and/or more measurements.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
This is what we've got so far from your description.
But is that a Plan View or an Elevation View? :wink:
 
berkeman said:
But is that a Plan View or an Elevation View? :wink:
🤔 It's a window.


Plan view when under construction; elevation view when installed?
:oldbiggrin:
 
DaveC426913 said:
🤔 It's a window.


Plan view when under construction; elevation view when installed?
:oldbiggrin:
Yup. Which view is your sketch of the window? Is the window the curved piece at the top (Plan View) or are we looking through the window that has a curved top arch (Elevation View)?
 
berkeman said:
Yup. Which view is your sketch of the window? Is the window the curved piece at the top (Plan View) or are we looking through the window that has a curved top arch (Elevation View)?
I have read this four six times and I don't understand what you're envisioning.

Do we all agree we are talking about this?

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DaveC426913 said:
I have read this four times and I don't understand what distinction you're making.

Do we agree we are all talking about this?

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If your drawing is an Plan View of the window, we are looking down through the roof of the building. The glass would be the curved piece at the top of your drawing.

If your drawing is an Elevation View of the window, we are looking at the wall and the window like we are looking through it to outside, and the window has an arched top.

Hopefully the OP will post a picture soon to clarify...

(Plan View on the left below, and Elevation View on the right):
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url...ved=0CBAQjRxqFwoTCLCPyfiznf8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE
 
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I know what Plans versus Elevations are.
He described it as a window, not a skylight.
What I've drawn is what the OP described.
berkeman said:
... we are looking down through the roof of the building. The glass would be the curved piece at the top of your drawing.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't grant that the OP is describing the actual thing (which, incidentally is rainbow-shaped) he wants to make look like a rainbow - rather than something you are inferring.

And I'm still not actually sure how it matters whether the glass is horizontal (plan view) or vertical (elevation view).

:wink:
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I'm not sure what a blind slat is
In a window blind, the slats are the horizontal (or sometimes vertical) thin pieces that rotate through slightly less than 180 degrees to let light in or obstruct its passage through the window.

In your drawing, the 22.25" pieces would be spokes, which is maybe what the OP meant instead of slats. My guess is that the "material" the OP is talking about would be pieces of glass or some kind of plastic in various colors.
CandiAnne said:
At the bottom of the window there is a Center Circle that is 12 tall and 25 width
If the diameter of the circle is 25" its height (radius) would be 12.5".
 
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Mark44 said:
If the diameter of the circle is 25" its height (radius) would be 12.5".
Actually we don't know that. Mathematically, sure. But we do not know that the flat edge of the semi-circle cuts directly through the centre.

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This is a semi circle with a diameter of 25" and a radius of 12". (More accurately, it's an arc of about 175 degrees). This is a very real likelihood because of real world objects that have spokes (dotted red line) with non-zero thickness.

We have to go with the OP's measurements (after he double-checks them).

I'll (try to) step back until the OP elaborates.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
But we do not know that the flat edge of the semi-circle cuts directly through the centre.
If it's a semicircle, then it's half a circle (described in post #1 as "a half circle window") so the height (a radius) would be half the diameter.

DaveC426913 said:
We have to go with the OP's measurements (after he double-checks them).
Based on the name and the avatar image (which obviously aren't conclusive), my best guess is "she."

In any case, the drawing and the photograph don't bear much resemblance to a rainbow, in which the colored sections are more-or-less bounded by concentric circular arcs.

I agree that we need to get a lot more clarification from the OP.
 
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Mark44 said:
If it's a semicircle, then it's half a circle (described in post #1 as "a half circle window") so the height (a radius) would be half the diameter.
Yes. That has been reiterated already, more than once. However, it is also described in post #1 as having a diameter of 25" and a height of 12". That is more specific information than the vague "half circle".

If the "half circle" the OP speaks of is mathematically a 175 degree arc, then both pieces of information can be reconciled.
 
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