Calculating Mercury Column Height in J-Shaped Tube: Manometry Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a J-shaped tube containing mercury and air, focusing on calculating the height of the mercury column in one arm of the tube when the other arm is filled with mercury. The participants explore the application of the ideal gas law and pressure relationships in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial conditions of the problem, stating the heights of the mercury columns and the atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant confirms that the ideal gas law can be applied but emphasizes the need for assumptions regarding how the mercury fills the tube.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the variables h1 and h2, with participants clarifying that they represent the lengths of the left and right arms of the tube, respectively.
  • One participant suggests using the ideal gas law to relate the final pressure of the air in the left arm to the initial atmospheric pressure, noting that volume is proportional to the cross-sectional area.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the definition of hinitial, with participants debating whether it should be the length of the left arm or if it can be converted into a different unit related to air pressure.
  • Another participant questions whether P1 can be assumed to equal Patm, leading to further clarification on the pressure relationships involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the applicability of the ideal gas law but have not reached consensus on specific assumptions regarding the initial conditions and pressure definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact interpretation of certain variables and their implications for the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions needed for the ideal gas law application, particularly concerning the initial conditions of the air in the left arm and the relationship between pressure and height in the context of the mercury column.

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Homework Statement


A J-shaped tube has an uniform cross section and it contains air to atmosphere pression of 75 cmo of Hg. It is pours mercury in the right arm, this Compress the closed air in the left arm. Which is the heigh of the mercury's column in left arm when the right arm is full of mercury? Consider that in every moment temperature is constant and that the air is an ideal gas. Consider h1 = 0.25m and h2 = 2.25m

2. Relevant equations

P= Patm + density*g*h
P1*V1 = P2*V2

The Attempt at a Solution


I have equalized the pressure at point 1 with the pressure at point 2, and this looks like this:
Pressure at point 1 = Air density * gravity * (0.25-h)
Pressure at point 2 = Atmospheric pressure + mercury density * gravity* (2.25-h)

The atmospheric pressure I suppose is 75 cm Hg.

From previous equations I would solve for "h"

My question is if the approach is right? and how I could consider the density of the air?

Could I solve the problem by applying theory of ideal gases? thanks for your help
 

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Yes, you can use the ideal gas law, but you have to make some assumptions about how the mercury fills the tube. I suspect the amount of air trapped in the left arm originally occupied the entire left arm at atmospheric pressure. Your diagram does not show what h1 and h2 are. I assume they are the height of the mercury columns in the two arms. Correct?
 
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kuruman said:
Yes, you can use the ideal gas law, but you have to make some assumptions about how the mercury fills the tube. I suspect the amount of air trapped in the left arm originally occupied the entire left arm at atmospheric pressure. Your diagram does not show what h1 and h2 are. I assume they are the height of the mercury columns in the two arms. Correct?
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Kuruman thank you for your answer. h1 and h2 are the length of left and right arm respectively. So, how can I solve the problem with ideal gas law? thank you
 
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Kuruman thank you for your answer. h1 and h2 are the length of left and right arm respectively. So, how can I solve the problem with ideal gas law? thank you
So you are saying that the left arm has length ##y## of air and length ##h_1-y## of mercury and the right arm has length ##h_2## of mercury. Correct?
You can use the ideal gas law to relate the final pressure of the air to the initial (atmospheric) pressure in the left arm. Note that the volume is proportional to the cross sectional area which does not change when the arm is partially filled with mercury.
 
So I can write Patm hinitial = P2 (0.25-h) where h is the heigh of compressed air. Me doubt is what is hinitial? Can I Convert the 75cm Hg to cm of air?
 
Queren Suriano said:
Me doubt is what is hinitial?
Did you not tell me in post #3 that hinitial is the length of the left arm, 0.25 m?
 
kuruman said:
Did you not tell me in post #3 that hinitial is the length of the left arm, 0.25 m?
Ok, thank you. So, am I saying something right if I said that P1 = Patm + air density * gravity* h1? Or could I assume that the P1 = Patm?
 
I think it is safe to assume that p1 = patm.
 

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