Calculating Minimum Water Level in a Barrel using ODE: Analysis and Approach

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation dV/dt = 5 - 2 * V(t)^(1/3) that models the draining of a barrel containing 25 liters of rainwater at time t = 0. Participants are tasked with calculating the minimum water level in the barrel during this process.

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  • Participants explore setting the rate of change to zero to find the minimum water level, leading to calculations of V = (5/2)^(3) = 15.65 L. There are questions about the validity of this approach and the relevance of the initial condition of 25 L.

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Some participants affirm the approach of finding the minimum water level by analyzing when dV/dt = 0. Others raise questions about the implications of the initial volume and how it affects the understanding of the problem, suggesting that the initial condition is crucial for determining the time to reach the minimum volume.

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There is a focus on the relationship between the initial volume of water and the behavior of the differential equation, particularly regarding the regimes of increasing and decreasing volume based on the calculated minimum.

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Homework Statement
Find the lower bound of the ODE?
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dV/dt = 5 - 2*V(t)^(1/3)
I have following differential equation dV/dt = 5 - 2 * V(t)^(1/3) which represents a the time its take to drain a barrel of rain water which contain 25 Liter of water, at t = 0.

I am suppose to calculate the least amount of water in barrel during this process.

If I set the rate of growth to zero, meaning dV/dt = 0, then 5 - 2 * V^(1/3) = 0, and thusly V = (5/2)^(3) = 15.65, meaning the least amount of water which is in the barrel is 15.65 L,if the rate of change is zero.

But question, is this correct why at handling this problem? Because I am not really using the info, that t = 0, the barrel contains 25 L.

Any idea? On how to approach this problem differently?
 
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Mathman2013 said:
Homework Statement:: Find the lower bound of the ODE?
Relevant Equations:: dV/dt = 5 - 2*V(t)^(1/3)

I have following differential equation dV/dt = 5 - 2 * V(t)^(1/3) which represents a the time its take to drain a barrel of rain water which contain 25 Liter of water, at t = 0.

I am suppose to calculate the least amount of water in barrel during this process.

If I set the rate of growth to zero, meaning dV/dt = 0, then 5 - 2 * V^(1/3) = 0, and thusly V = (5/2)^(3) = 15.65, meaning the least amount of water which is in the barrel is 15.65 L,if the rate of change is zero.
You're off by a little bit -- I get the least amount as 15.625 L (125/8 == 15.625).
Mathman2013 said:
But question, is this correct why at handling this problem? Because I am not really using the info, that t = 0, the barrel contains 25 L.
Yes, this is the right approach. Since water is draining from the barrel, dV/dt will be negative, so at a time when dV/dt = 0, the volume will be at a minimum.
One interpretation for this scenario is that the barrel has a hole in it somewhere above the middle of the barrel.
Mathman2013 said:
Any idea? On how to approach this problem differently?
No need for a different approach.
 
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Homework Statement:: Find the lower bound of the ODE?
Relevant Equations:: dV/dt = 5 - 2*V(t)^(1/3)

I have following differential equation dV/dt = 5 - 2 * V(t)^(1/3) which represents a the time its take to drain a barrel of rain water which contain 25 Liter of water, at t = 0.

I am suppose to calculate the least amount of water in barrel during this process.

If I set the rate of growth to zero, meaning dV/dt = 0, then 5 - 2 * V^(1/3) = 0, and thusly V = (5/2)^(3) = 15.65, meaning the least amount of water which is in the barrel is 15.65 L,if the rate of change is zero.

But question, is this correct why at handling this problem? Because I am not really using the info, that t = 0, the barrel contains 25 L.

Any idea? On how to approach this problem differently?

V is strictly increasing if and only if V(t) < 125/8\,\mathrm{L} and strictly decreasing if and only if V(t) > 125/8\,\mathrm{L}. Which of those regimes does V(0) = 25\,\mathrm{L} fall into?
 
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Mathman2013 said:
But question, is this correct why at handling this problem? Because I am not really using the info, that t = 0, the barrel contains 25 L.
You would need that information if you wanted to determine how long it takes for the volume to reach the minimum. That would obviously depend on how much you start with.
 
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