Calculating Moment of Inertia for a Rolling Can of Soup

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The problem involves calculating the moment of inertia for a can of soup rolling down an incline. The can has specified mass, height, and diameter, and the scenario includes parameters such as the incline's length and angle, as well as the time taken to reach the bottom.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the moment of inertia using energy conservation principles, equating gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy components. They express concern over potential algebraic errors leading to an incorrect result.

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Some participants provide feedback on the equations used, suggesting that the original poster may have misapplied the average velocity in their calculations. There is acknowledgment of arithmetic errors, and one participant indicates a resolution after adjusting the velocity expression.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using average versus final velocity in the context of rotational motion, which may affect the calculations of moment of inertia. The original poster's initial approach raises questions about the assumptions made in the setup of the problem.

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Disregard this post, I will reply when I can get the equations to work for me! Sorry ...

Here's a problem I'm struggling with. It says I have a can of soup with a given mass (m), height (h), and diameter (2r). It's placed at rest on the top of an incline with a given length (l) and angle (theta) to the horizontal. I need to calculate the moment of inertia (I) of the can if it takes so much time (t) to reach the bottom of the incline. Here's what I tried:
[tex] <br /> mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\omega^{2} \\<br /> mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\omega^{2} \\<br /> mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{v}{r}\right)^{2} \\<br /> mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}}{{r}^{2}}\right)} \\<br /> mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)} \\<br /> mgl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2} = \frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)} \\<br /> 2\left[m\left(gl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}\right)\right] = \frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)} \\<br /> \left\frac{(2\left[m\left(gl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}\right)\right]}{\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\left}\right) = I \\<br /> \frac{2m\left(gl\sin\theta-\frac{1}{2}\frac{l^{2}}{t^{2}}\right)}{\frac{l^{2}}{r^{2}t^{2}}} = I \\<br /> [/tex]

It looks like the units work out for the moment of inertia, but I'm getting the wrong answer. Is my algebra questionable or is there something else I'm not seeing? Thanks in advance.
 
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[tex]mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\omega^{2}[/tex]
[tex]mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\omega^{2}[/tex]
[tex]mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{v}{r}\right)^{2}[/tex]
[tex]mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}}{{r}^{2}}\right)}[/tex]
[tex]mgl\sin\theta = \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}+\frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)}[/tex]
[tex]mgl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}m\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2} = \frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)}[/tex]
[tex]2\left[m\left(gl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}\right)\right] = \frac{1}{2}I\left(\frac{\left l^{2}}{{r}^{2}t^{2}}\right)}[/tex]
[tex]\left[\frac{(2\left[m\left(gl\sin\theta - \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{l}{t}\right)^{2}\right)\right]}{\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\left}\right) = I[/tex]
[tex]\frac{2m\left(gl\sin\theta-\frac{1}{2}\frac{l^{2}}{t^{2}}\right)}{\frac{l^{2}}{r^{2}t^{2}}} = I[/tex]
It looks like the units work out for the moment of inertia, but I'm getting the wrong answer. Is my algebra questionable or is there something else I'm not seeing? Thanks in advance
 
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Your equations are fine, except just at the beginning!
Also a couple of arithmetic errors in the last two lines (per my first post)

You have set v = l/t, but that is the average velocity, and v, in your 1st line, is for the final velocity.

You have to put in the proper expression for the final velocity and it should all fall out.
 
Thanks for your help -- I got it. :) I just needed 2l/t instead of l/t and it worked out. :)
 

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