Calculating Momentum Eigenstates of Spin in the Y Direction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the momentum eigenstates of spin in the y direction, specifically using the Pauli spin matrix \(\sigma_{y}\) and the spin angular momentum operator \(S_{y}\). Participants are exploring the eigenvalues and eigenstates associated with these operators.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding eigenvalues through the determinant of the matrix and question the validity of their logic in deriving eigenstates. There is also a focus on the normalization of eigenstates and the relationship between different eigenvectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on solving the matrix equations for eigenstates, while others are verifying their calculations and discussing potential discrepancies in their results. Multiple interpretations of the eigenstates are being explored, particularly regarding the relationship between eigenvectors corresponding to different eigenvalues.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the terminology used, specifically the phrase "momentum eigenstates," which some participants question as potentially misleading. The participants are also navigating the complexities of writing matrices in LaTeX.

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Homework Statement


Starting with [tex]\sigma_{y}[/tex], calculate the momentum eigenstates of spin in the y direction.
[tex]\sigma_{y} = \left[\stackrel{0}{i} \stackrel{-i}{0}\right][/tex] (Pauli spin matrix in the y direction)
[tex]S_{y} = \frac{\hbar}{2}\sigma_{y}[/tex] (spin angular momentum operator for the y direction)

Homework Equations



[tex]A\left|\psi\right\rangle = a\left|\psi\right\rangle[/tex] where A is some linear operator and a is the corresponding eigenvalue

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution I tried was determining the eigenvalues for the matrix, [tex]det (A - \lambda I) = 0[/tex], where [tex]A \equiv S_{y}[/tex], [tex]\lambda[/tex]
are the eigenvalues and I is the 2x2 identity matrix.

After working through the determinant expression, I obtain eigenvalues of [tex]\lambda = \pm \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex]

Then for momentum eigenstates, since the eigenstates aren't given I just used an arbitrary eigenstate, defined as [tex]\left|\psi\right\rangle[/tex]

Therefore, the momentum eigenstates I obtain are just

[tex]S_{y}\left|\psi\right\rangle = \pm \frac{\hbar}{2} \left|\psi\right\rangle[/tex]

I'm just wondering if my logic is correct as I step through my calculations. First I tried operator the spin angular momentum (y-direction) operator in the known matrices for spin-up, spin-down states. But, I realized that these were states in the z-direction. So, for momentum eigenstates in the y-direction the only way I could think of was the eigenvalue equation method.

Thanks.

p.s. Does anyone know how to write matrices in latex? Sorry, about my dodgy matrix up above for sigma y
 
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"momentum eigenstates" doesn't make sense. I think what they want is just for you to find the eigenstates of [tex]S_y[/tex]. Solve the following matrix equation (matrices are a pain in tex, so I didn't write the matrices explicitly--I used I for the 2x2 unit matrix)
[tex] (S_y - \frac{\hbar}{2}I) \vec v = 0[/tex]
for v_1 in terms of v_2 (you only get one independent equation from the above matrix equation) and then also use the fact that v should be normalized. This gives you the eigenstate of S_y with eigenvalue +hbar/2.

Then solve
[tex] (S_y + \frac{\hbar}{2}I) \vec u =0[/tex]
for u_1 in terms of u_2 and normalize to get the other eigenstate.
 
For the eigenvalue [tex]\lambda = + \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex],

I get two simulatenous equations:
[tex]-v_{1} + iv_{2} = 0[/tex] ... (1)
[tex]iv_{1} - v_{2} = 0[/tex] ... (2)

Solving (1) for [tex]v_{1}[/tex] in terms of [tex]v_2[/tex]:
[tex]-v_{1} = iv_{2}[/tex]
[tex]v_{1} = -iv_{2}[/tex]

Therefore, looking at the comparison of [tex]v_{1}[/tex] and [tex]v_2[/tex], the eigenvector for [tex]\lambda = + \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex] is [tex]\left[\stackrel{1}{-i}\right][/tex]

And for the negative eigenvalue it should follow the same logic, haven't determined it yet though.

Is this correct, for the positive eigenvalue?
 
PsiPhi said:
For the eigenvalue [tex]\lambda = + \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex],

I get two simulatenous equations:
[tex]-v_{1} + iv_{2} = 0[/tex] ... (1)
[tex]iv_{1} - v_{2} = 0[/tex] ... (2)

Solving (1) for [tex]v_{1}[/tex] in terms of [tex]v_2[/tex]:
[tex]-v_{1} = iv_{2}[/tex]
[tex]v_{1} = -iv_{2}[/tex]

Therefore, looking at the comparison of [tex]v_{1}[/tex] and [tex]v_2[/tex], the eigenvector for [tex]\lambda = + \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex] is
[tex]\left[\stackrel{1}{-i}\right][/tex]
Nope, you made a little mistake; if you look at the above [tex]\vec v[/tex]you will see that [tex]v_2 = -i[/tex], so that [tex]iv_2 = 1 = v_1[/tex] which is not what your equations say.

But don't fear, the above vector is actually still an eigenvector, it's the eigenvector with eigenvalue -\hbar/2 as you can easily check by acting on it with the matrix [tex]S_y[/tex].
 
Ah yes, you are correct. The eigenvector I did before was for [tex]-\frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex]. But a weird thing happens, if i solve v_2 in terms of v_1 you will get a different eigenvector. However, I finally realized they differ by a multiplicative constant of i.

Thanks for the help, olgranpappy.
 

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