Calculating Moon Coordinates During Solar Eclipse of August 11, 1999

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The discussion focuses on calculating the Cartesian coordinates of the Moon during the solar eclipse of August 11, 1999, specifically at the time of greatest eclipse. The scope includes computational methods for predicting solar eclipses and the use of astronomical coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to compute the Moon's coordinates with the Earth at the origin, noting that the z coordinate should be nearly zero due to the non-collinearity of the Earth, Moon, and Sun during the eclipse.
  • Another participant suggests using Earth-centered right ascension and declination instead of Cartesian coordinates for better accuracy.
  • A different participant recommends using the JPL Horizons web interface for accurate data retrieval, mentioning that it allows for Cartesian coordinates as well.
  • One participant shares a method using the Horizons email interface to obtain the Moon's position data, providing a specific template for the request.
  • The original poster expresses gratitude for the assistance received from other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants provide various methods and tools for calculating the Moon's coordinates, but there is no consensus on the best approach, as different coordinate systems and interfaces are suggested.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the potential inaccuracies in using Cartesian coordinates due to the non-collinearity of celestial bodies, indicating a need for careful consideration of the chosen coordinate system.

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Hello, I am new to this forum and this is my first thread! :)

I would like to know how I can compute the Cartestian Coordinates (x,y,z) of the Moon, with the Earth at the origin during the eclipse of August 11 1999 at the time of the greatest eclipse point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_August_11,_1999). I'm trying to create a program that can predict Solar eclipses.
I have chosen the (x,y) plane to be the ecliptic plane (Earth-Sun plane), so the z coordinate of the Moon would have to be almost 0. I say almost 0 because, when I say coordinates, I'm referring to the coordinates of the center of the Moon ... and the center of the Moon, the center of the Earth and the center of the Sun weren't colinear during that eclipse (honestly I doubt there was an eclipse in which they were perfectly colinear). My program only works with points, not whole objects (not yet at least).

Thank you!
 
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You might find them in your library - there are a few other books on astronomy coordinates but these are probably the easiest.

ps. you almost certainly don't want to work in XYZ but in Earth centred ra-dec
 
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I find it easier to use Horizons email interface rather than the web interface, as you can create a template and use it over again with modifications. For example, sending the following email to horizons@ssd.jpl.nasa.gov, and putting the word job in the subject line gives you your desired data.
!$$SOF
EMAIL_ADDR=''
START_TIME = '1999-Aug-11 11:03:00'
STOP_TIME = '1999-Aug-11 11:03:01'
TABLE_TYPE = 'Vector'
REF_PLANE = 'Ecliptic'
CENTER = '@399'
COMMAND='301'
!$$EOF

Horizons immediately mails you back an email that contains the following data. The numbers I boldfaced are your x,y,z positions, and x,y,z velocities.
$$SOE
2451401.960416667 = A.D. 1999-Aug-11 11:03:00.0000 (CT)
-2.787121218555445E+05 2.483354892822721E+05 3.199372342106552E+03
-7.316006084987076E-01 -7.570767396262709E-01 9.717839080361770E-02

1.245231885498317E+00 3.733111277335151E+05 4.341645356342641E-02
$$EOE
 
Thank you all very much! This has been extremely helpful! :)
 

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