Calculating Ocean Depth using Sonar Signals

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The discussion revolves around calculating ocean depth using sonar signals, specifically focusing on the speed of sound in water and the time taken for the sonar signal to return after being reflected from the ocean floor.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between speed, distance, and time in the context of sonar signals. There is an exploration of frequency and wavelength, with some participants questioning the relevance of these concepts to the problem at hand. Others suggest focusing on the roundtrip distance of the sonar signal to determine depth.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify misunderstandings regarding the calculation of ocean depth and the properties of waves. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, emphasizing the need to consider the total distance traveled by the sonar signal.

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There is a mention of the time taken for the sonar signal to return being critical to the calculation, as well as the distinction between the total distance traveled and the actual depth of the ocean. Additionally, there are references to wave properties and their relationship to the calculations being discussed.

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I just want to check if I did this question correctly because I'm not really sure if I did.
The speed of water is 1498 m/s. A sonar signal is sent straight down
from a ship at a point just below the surface, and 1.80s later the reflected signal is detected. How deep is the ocean beneath the ship?

First I found the frequency by uing the equation: f= 1/T which is 1/1.80s=.5555555556 Hz

then I used the equation vel=frequency X wavelength and rearrange it to vel/frequency= wavelength which is (1498m/s)/(.5555555556Hz) and I got 2696.4 m Is this right?
 
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aerogurl2 said:
I just want to check if I did this question correctly because I'm not really sure if I did.
The speed of water is 1498 m/s.
To be exact, this is the speed *of sound* in water/
A sonar signal is sent straight down
from a ship at a point just below the surface, and 1.80s later the reflected signal is detected. How deep is the ocean beneath the ship?

First I found the frequency by uing the equation: f= 1/T which is 1/1.80s=.5555555556 Hz

then I used the equation vel=frequency X wavelength and rearrange it to vel/frequency= wavelength which is (1498m/s)/(.5555555556Hz) and I got 2696.4 m Is this right?
The 1.80 second is the time for the signal to return to the ship, it has nothing to do with the period of the sound wave itself.

It's a bit like if I would tell you that a sound pulse traveling at 343 m/s was emitted by a siren, was reflected by a wall at a certain distance and then came back 2 seconds later. It is simply a problem involving speed= distance/time and nothing else.

You actually do not know the frequency nor the wavelength of the sound wave and you *cannot* calculate it.

Simply use distance of travel = speed * time and be careful to remember that the distance traveled by the sound wave is twice the depth (because the signal had to do a roundtrip)

Patrick
 
ohhh i see...hmm the answer turns out to be 2696.4 m as well:smile:

The time needed for a water wave to change from the equilibrium level to the crest is 0.18s.
a) what fraction of a wavelength is this?
I don't get how you get this
b)What is the period of the wave?
wouldn't the period of the wave be 0.18s since you do f= 1/T then T= 1/f
c) What is the frequency of the wave?
f= 1/T 1/0.18s= 5.5555555556 Hz
 
aerogurl2 said:
ohhh i see...hmm the answer turns out to be 2696.4 m as well:smile:
Be careful, this is the total distance traveled by the wave, not the depth .
The time needed for a water wave to change from the equilibrium level to the crest is 0.18s.
a) what fraction of a wavelength is this?
I don't get how you get this
Draw a sine wave. If you go from the equilibirum position ot the crest, what fraction of a wavelength does that correspond to? I will tell you since I have to go to bed now. It is one fourth of a wavelength. Do you see?
b)What is the period of the wave?
wouldn't the period of the wave be 0.18s since you do f= 1/T then T= 1/f
No, this corresponds to only one fourth of a full wave. So it would take 4 times as long to have a complete oscillation. So the period is 4 times as long
c) What is the frequency of the wave?
f= 1/T 1/0.18s= 5.5555555556 Hz
with the correct period, you will get the correct frequency.

Patrick
 
i appreciate your help thnx =)
 

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