Calculating % of Drivers Who Died and Were Not Wearing Seatbelts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Bayes' Theorem to calculate the percentage of drivers who died in accidents and were not wearing seatbelts. Participants explore the use of conditional probability and the relationships between different probabilities related to seatbelt usage and fatality rates in accidents.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about using Bayes' Theorem versus conditional probability, with one participant providing a calculation for P(B and A') based on given percentages.
  • Another participant clarifies that P(B | A') is the probability of dying given that a driver is not wearing a seatbelt, and suggests calculating P(B) by considering both those who died wearing seatbelts and those who did not.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of P(A' | B), with one participant seeking clarification on how to express this probability in words.
  • Participants debate the correct values for P(A' and B) and P(B), with one asserting that P(A' and B) should be calculated as 5% of the drivers who do not wear seatbelts multiplied by the probability of dying, while another emphasizes the need to consider the percentages of both groups involved in fatalities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations and interpretations of the probabilities involved. There are competing views on how to apply Bayes' Theorem and conditional probability in this context, leading to unresolved questions about the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the relationships between the probabilities, as well as the need for clarity on the definitions and calculations involved in applying Bayes' Theorem to this problem.

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Hi! I have some problem about the use of Baye’s Theorem . So I have been given the problem below that we were asked to use Baye’s Theorem. But I sue the simple manner of conditional probability. So can somebody show me how I can use that Baye’s theorem or if I’m wrong correct me:
95% of car drivers wear seatbelt, 64% of car drivers involved in serious accident die if not wearing seatbelt whereas 12% of those that do wear a seatbelt die. Calculate, correct to 3 significant figures, the percentage of drivers who died and were not wearing seatbelts.
Let A= “wear seatbelt”; B= die; A’= don’t wear seatbelt.
P(A)= 95%
P(A’)=100%-95%=5%
P(B/A’)=64%
P(B and A’)=?
By formula of conditional probability P(B/A’)= [P(B and A’)]/[P(A’)]
Then P(B and A’)= [P(B/A’)]*[P(A’)]
P(B and A’)= 0.64*0.05=0.032=3.20%
 
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We know that P(A) = .95, thus P(A') = .05.
Now let B be the event that someone died, like you put. Then you have
P(B | A') = P(B and A')/P(A') = .64 Since 64% of the people that don't wear seats belts die. Thus for P(B and A') = (.05)(.64).

Now we want P(A' | B) = P(A' and B)/P(B). Well you have P(A' and B) already, so now you just need to find the probability that someone died, P(B). There are two things to take into consideration here. The people that died and were wearing their seatbelts and the other side of the coin, the people who died and were not wearing their seatbelts.

Hope this helps.
 
daveyinaz said:
Now we want P(A' | B) = P(A' and B)/P(B). Well you have P(A' and B) already, so now you just need to find the probability that someone died, P(B). There are two things to take into consideration here. The people that died and were wearing their seatbelts and the other side of the coin, the people who died and were not wearing their seatbelts.

Hope this helps.
We know that the drivers who died and were wearing seatbelt are 12% and there 5% who died and were not wearing seatbelt.

So we have
P(B)= P(A and B) + P(A' and B)= 12% + 5% = 17%
P(A'/B)=P(A' and B)/P(B)=(.05)/(.17)
Is it like this?
But here i don't understand why you have calculated again that P(A'/B)! if i try to express it in words you meant the probability of A' conditionned by B or again "the drivers who were not wearing seatbelt but who died before"? Just here can you explain me how we can express that P(A'/B)?
 
kthouz said:
We know that the drivers who died and were wearing seatbelt are 12% and there 5% who died and were not wearing seatbelt.

So we have
P(B)= P(A and B) + P(A' and B)= 12% + 5% = 17%

Wait, I already told you that P(A' and B) = (.05)(.64) So why do you say that it's 5% above.
Think of it this way...of the 5% of the people that don't wear seatbelts 64% of them die, that is P(A' and B).

Now, we look at P(A and B); of the 95% that wear seatbelts, only 12% of them die.

Is this more clear?
 

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