Calculating Posterior Prob. of an Impurity's Presence

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The problem involves determining the posterior probability of a trace impurity's presence in a product based on experimental detection results. It utilizes concepts from probability theory, specifically Bayes' Theorem, and involves prior probabilities and conditional probabilities related to detection rates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Bayes' Theorem and the need to calculate specific conditional probabilities. There are inquiries about how to relate detection probabilities to the outcomes of multiple experiments. Some participants explore the implications of the experiments being conducted on the same sample and clarify the meaning of "two decisions" versus "two detections."

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the problem statement and calculate necessary probabilities. Some have proposed expressions for the probabilities based on the outcomes of the experiments, while others are seeking confirmation of their calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of assumptions regarding the experiments and the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly concerning the number of detections and the sample used. There is also mention of combinatorial factors in calculating probabilities based on the outcomes of the experiments.

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A chemical engineer is interested in determining whether a certain trace impurity is present in a product. An experiment has a probability of 0.80 of detecting the impurity if it is present. The probability of not detecting the impurity if it is absent is 0.90. The prior probabilities of the impurity being present and being absent are 0.40 and 0.60 respectively. Three separate experiments result in only two decisions. What is the posterior probability that the impurity is present?

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So I know that the event that an impurity is present and not present are disjoint and exhaustive, so Bayes Theorem does apply. I let [itex]D[/itex] denote the event that an impurity was detected in 2 of 3 tests and [itex]I[/itex] denotes the event that an impurity is present.
[itex]\mathcal P{(I|D)} = \frac{\mathcal P{(D|I)}* \mathcal P{(I)}}{\mathcal P{(D|I)}* \mathcal P{(I)} + \mathcal P{(D|I')}* \mathcal P{(I')}}[/itex]
Also, I know that the probabilities for [itex]\mathcal P{(I)} = 0.40[/itex] and [itex]\mathcal P{(I')} = 0.60[/itex]
However, at this point I am not sure where to go with the problem. I understand that I need to determine [itex]\mathcal P{(D|I)}[/itex] and [itex]\mathcal P{(D|I')}[/itex] but I'm not sure how to go about doing this..
 
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Can you relate the other percent values that is the 80% and 90% to them?
 
jedishrfu said:
Can you relate the other percent values that is the 80% and 90% to them?
Would I need to use the fact that there are [itex]\dbinom{3}{2}[/itex] ways an impurity could be detected in 2 of 3 tests in order to calculate the needed probabilities? Then I could relate the 80% and 90% somehow, yes?
 
_N3WTON_ said:
Three separate experiments result in only two decisions.

One question is whether the experiments are done on the same sample of product. I suppose we must assume so in order to have an interesting problem.

Another question is: what is the meaning of "two decisions"? It would be clear if the problem said "two detections". I suppose we must assume that interpretation.

Number the experiments 1,2,3. Assume an impurity is present. One way to get two detections in three experiments is a detection in experiment 1, a detection in experiment 2 and a no-detection in experiment 3. Write down the expression for that probability.

Then imagine adding up the expressions for all possible ways of getting two detections in three experiments and you'll see where combinations comes into the picture.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Another question is: what is the meaning of "two decisions"? It would be clear if the problem said "two detections".
I'm really sorry about that, upon reading your comment I went back and realized that I didn't copy the problem correctly, it does indeed say "two detections". Also, I believe that we are meant to assume that the same sample is being used. Anyhow, thank you for the help.
 
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So I think I have found the values I need, hopefully someone can confirm/deny:
[itex]\mathcal P{(D|I)} = \dbinom{3}{2} * (0.8)^{2} * (1-0.8)^{2} = 0.384[/itex]
[itex]\mathcal P{(D|I')} = \dbinom{3}{2} * (1-0.9)^{2} * (0.9) = 0.027[/itex]
So after substituting these values into the Bayes Theorem equation my final answer is [itex]\mathcal P{(I|D)} = 0.91[/itex]
 
_N3WTON_ said:
So I think I have found the values I need, hopefully someone can confirm/deny:
[itex]\mathcal P{(D|I)} = \dbinom{3}{2} * (0.8)^{2} * (1-0.8)^{2} = 0.384[/itex]
[itex]\mathcal P{(D|I')} = \dbinom{3}{2} * (1-0.9)^{2} * (0.9) = 0.027[/itex]
So after substituting these values into the Bayes Theorem equation my final answer is [itex]\mathcal P{(I|D)} = 0.91[/itex]

The exact answer is ##P(I|D) = 256/283 \doteq 0.9046 ##. So, yes, I guess you could be right.
 
Ray Vickson said:
The exact answer is ##P(I|D) = 256/283 \doteq 0.9046 ##. So, yes, I guess you could be right.
May I ask how you arrived at the exact answer?
 
Nvm, I think I figured it out :D
 

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