Calculating Probability of Choosing Vowels: Common Mistakes and Solutions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of selecting vowels from the words "HOORAY FOR MATHS," specifically focusing on the condition of obtaining at least one vowel that is not the letter O. Participants are examining their approaches to probability calculations and identifying potential mistakes in their reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants present various cases for calculating probabilities, questioning their own methods and the assumptions behind them. Some explore the inclusion/exclusion principle as a potential approach, while others consider the implications of counting specific vowels from different words.

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There is an active exploration of different interpretations of the problem, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the question and the calculation of probabilities, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between vowels and the specific requirement of excluding the letter O from their calculations. There is also mention of the constraints imposed by the homework prompt, which may affect the interpretation of successful outcomes.

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Homework Statement
One letter is randomly selected from each of the words HOORAY FOR MATHS. Find the probability of getting at least one vowel which is not the letter O
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My attempt:

case 1: get one vowel (A) from word HOORAY = 1/6 x 2/3 x 4/5 = 4/45

case 2: get one vowel (A) from word MATHS = 3/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/15

case 3: get two vowels (2A) from word HOORAY and MATHS = 1/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/45

Total probability = 8/45

Answer key = 1/3

Where is my mistake?

Thanks
 
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songoku said:
Homework Statement: One letter is randomly selected from each of the words HOORAY FOR MATHS. Find the probability of getting at least one vowel which is not the letter O
Homework Equations: Probability

My attempt:

case 1: get one vowel (A) from word HOORAY = 1/6 x 2/3 x 4/5 = 4/45

case 2: get one vowel (A) from word MATHS = 3/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/15

case 3: get two vowels (2A) from word HOORAY and MATHS = 1/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/45

Total probability = 8/45

Answer key = 1/3

Where is my mistake?

Thanks

It's okay to get the letter O. If you get A-O-M, then that is a successful outcome.

But, it would have been quicker to caluculate the probability of not getting a non-O vowel.
 
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PeroK said:
It's okay to get the letter O. If you get A-O-M, then that is a successful outcome.

But, it would have been quicker to caluculate the probability of not getting a non-O vowel.
I see, so that is the meaning of the question. Thank you very much perok
 
It seems you can use inclusion/exclusion here:## p(A \cup B \cup C)=p(A)+p(B)+p(C)-p(A \cap B)...##
 
songoku said:
Homework Statement: One letter is randomly selected from each of the words HOORAY FOR MATHS. Find the probability of getting at least one vowel which is not the letter O
Homework Equations: Probability

My attempt:

case 1: get one vowel (A) from word HOORAY = 1/6 x 2/3 x 4/5 = 4/45

case 2: get one vowel (A) from word MATHS = 3/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/15

case 3: get two vowels (2A) from word HOORAY and MATHS = 1/6 x 2/3 x 1/5 = 1/45

Total probability = 8/45

Answer key = 1/3

Where is my mistake?

Thanks
For one, the probability of getting an A in the word 'For' is 0 (as well as in the HW if you don't change it ;)).
 
I may be interpreting this slightly differently. I would say that the "one vowel that is not O" MIGHT be the "A" from the first word, HOORAY. There are six letters, one of which is "A" so the probability of that is 1/6. There is no "vowel that is not O" in the second word "FOR" but there is one "A" in the word MATHS. The probability of getting that is 1/5 so the probability of getting "at least one vowel that is not O" is 1/6+ 1/5= 11/30.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I may be interpreting this slightly differently. I would say that the "one vowel that is not O" MIGHT be the "A" from the first word, HOORAY. There are six letters, one of which is "A" so the probability of that is 1/6. There is no "vowel that is not O" in the second word "FOR" but there is one "A" in the word MATHS. The probability of getting that is 1/5 so the probability of getting "at least one vowel that is not O" is 1/6+ 1/5= 11/30.

That double counts the case when you get an "A" from both the first and third words. This happens with probability 1/30. If you subtract that you get 10/30, as expected.
 

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