Calculating Probability of Measuring +h/2 in 1D HO

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of measuring a specific spin value (+h/2) in a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator system. Participants explore the relationship between spatial wave functions and spin states, addressing the complexities of combining these elements in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant presents a normalized state in a 1D harmonic oscillator and seeks guidance on calculating the probability of measuring +h/2 when measuring S_y, expressing confusion about combining spatial and spin components.
  • Another participant suggests disregarding the spatial part, indicating that spin exists in a separate Hilbert space, and proposes calculating the probability using the inner product of the spin state.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need to express the state in the y basis and outlines a method for calculating the total probability of measuring +h/2 by summing probabilities from various states.
  • Another contribution recommends diagonalizing the sigma_y operator to convert to the y basis, asserting that this transformation does not affect the spatial wave function and allows for expressing the wave function in terms of eigenstates of sigma_y.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method for calculating the probability. Different perspectives on how to handle the spatial and spin components lead to varied interpretations of the calculation process.

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Participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in transitioning between bases or the implications of combining different Hilbert spaces, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

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Hello everyone.

I have a question that i think belongs here or in the linear algebra section; but now i put it here, maybe someone will move the post if it's in the wrong place.

The question:

I have a normalized (1D) state in the x-axis in the harmonic oscillator

[tex]\Psi(x,t=0)=1/\sqrt{45}(6u_0(x)\chi_+ +(2+i)u_1\chi_- -2u_1(x)\chi_+[/tex]

where [tex]u_n[/tex] is the n'th normalized eigenstate of the 1D HO and [tex]\chi_{+/-}[/tex] are the normalized eigenspinors in z-direction. Now i must find the possibility of getting the result +h/2 when i measure [tex]S_y[/tex]. My idea was to take the inner product with the desired state and square the coefficient:
[tex]prob(h/2)=(\left\langle \chi^y_+ | \Psi\right\rangle)^2[/tex]
but how do i do that when i have both spinors(vectors) and functions of x at the same time? If anyone could do the calculation stepwise, I would appreciate it very much!

Best regards
Oistein
 
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I would not care about the spatial part, the spin "lives" in another hilbert space than the spatial wave functions [itex]u_n(x)[/itex]

So just do [tex]= | \langle \chi^y_+ | \Psi \rangle |^2[/tex]
 
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Your Hilbert space comprises the following states
[tex]\left|u_0, +\right\rangle_y, \left|u_0, -\right\rangle_y, \left|u_1, +\right\rangle_y, \left|u_1, -\right\rangle_y, \dots[/tex]
I have changed into the y basis for convenience. You'll have to do the same, somehow.

The probability of getting something is equal to the sum of the probabilities of all the independent ways of getting something. The possible ways of getting +h/2 from [tex]S_y[/tex] by finding the state to be in the following states:
[tex]\left|u_0, +\right\rangle_y, \left|u_1, +\right\rangle_y \dots[/tex]

In other words,
[tex]P(+) = P(u_0,+) + P(u_1,+) + P(u_2,+) ...[/tex]
or
[tex]P(+) = |\left\langle \psi | u_0,+ \right\rangle |^2 + |\left\langle \psi | u_1,+ \right\rangle |^2 + |\left\langle \psi | u_2,+ \right\rangle |^2...[/tex]

Note that the projection operator I'm considering is
[tex]\mathcal{P} = \sum_n \left|u_n, +\right\rangle \left\langle u_n, +\right|[/tex],
and that
[tex]\left\langle \psi \right| \left(\mathcal{P} \left|\psi\right\rangle\right) = P(+)[/tex]

To convince yourself that what I'm doing is Kosher, what is the probability that measuring L_z on a three-state system with wf [tex]\tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\left|-1\right\rangle + \tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\left|0\right\rangle + \tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\left|1\right\rangle[/tex] will yield a value greater than -h?. Clearly it is 2/3. You can also calculate this by finding the projection operator for the possibilities in consideration.
 
Diagonalize sigma y to get the unitary matrix(rotation, 90 degrees about the z axis) to convert toe the y basis.. This transformation does not effect the spatial part of the wave function, and allows you to express the wave function in eigenstates of sigma y. The rest is standard QM -- just keep the new spin up states. I've just said what Ibrits did, in a slightly different form.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 

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