Calculating Rod Speeds with Algebraic Formulas

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The discussion revolves around creating a formula for calculating the speeds of different lengths of rods swinging around an axis. Participants explore algebraic rearrangements of existing formulas to derive a new speed based on varying rod lengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to rearrange the formulas w=(d/r)/t and v=d/t to calculate v2 based on an input r2.
  • Another participant provides a rearrangement of the formulas, suggesting that if w=(v1/r1) then v2 can be expressed as v2=(v1 * r2)/r1.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in their initial conversion of the formula.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the assumptions related to the variable d, indicating that without clarification on d, the relationship between v1 and v2 cannot be definitively established.
  • It is noted that the context involves rods swinging around an axis, with the speed of one end known, and the spreadsheet aims to show how different lengths affect the speed at the other end.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and assumptions regarding the formulas. There is no consensus on the assumptions related to the variable d, and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear assumptions about the variable d and its role in the relationships being discussed. The mathematical steps involved in the derivations are not fully resolved.

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I am trying to create a formula for a spreadsheet to calculate values and it has been thirty years since high school algebra. Here are the formulas I need to rearrange.

w=(d/r)/t
v=d/t

w is an unknown constant and I have values for v1 and r1
I need the formula to spit out v2 if I input r2 in the spreadsheet
 
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demackison said:
it has been thirty years since high school algebra.
We normally don't give away ready made answers, but in this (very simple) case I'll make an exception, as it seems, that a tutorial on how to deal with quotients might not be appropriate in your case. But in general please use our homework section for these kind of questions, the automatically inserted template and especially tell us, what you don't understand, i.e. where you got stuck and why.

##w=(d/r)/t = \dfrac{\frac{d}{r}}{\frac{t}{1}}=\dfrac{d}{r} \cdot \dfrac{1}{t}= \dfrac{d}{r\cdot t}=\dfrac{d}{t} \cdot \dfrac{1}{r}=\dfrac{v}{r}##.

So if ##\dfrac{v_1}{r_1}=w= \dfrac{v_2}{r_2}## then ##v_2= \dfrac{v_1}{r_1}\cdot r_2 = \dfrac{v_1 \cdot r_2}{r_1}##.
 
Thanks!
 
demackison said:
Thanks!

I had converted to d/r * t/1, in error.
 
demackison said:
Thanks!
Only if ##\frac{d_1}{r_1}=\frac{d_2}{r_2}## but you haven't explained anything about the assumptions which are allowed or not, especially nothing about ##d##. That's why I said: If ##\frac{v_1}{r_1}=\frac{v_2}{r_2}##. I cannot know.
 
The formula was for a rod swinging around an axis with the speed of one end of the rod known. In essence, the spreadsheet will show what various longer or shorter rods will do to the speed at the other end.

Don't worry, this will be checked by an actual engineer before anything is implemented. :)
 

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