Calculating Signal to Noise due to thermal noise

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The discussion focuses on calculating the signal-to-noise ratio (S/N) considering thermal noise and other noise sources. The equation presented indicates that total noise is a combination of thermal noise and other noise sources, but the exact value of N_other is unknown. An assumption is made that total noise equals thermal noise, leading to a simplified ratio of N_{175}/N_{275} equating to 0.80, suggesting a 20% reduction in thermal noise. Participants also question the units of N and the term √(2kTRΔf), emphasizing the need for clarity on these measurements. The conversation highlights the importance of assumptions in noise calculations, particularly when other noise sources may dominate.
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Homework Statement
At t = 275K, the signal to noise is S/N = 15. If the system is cooled to t = 175K, what is the S/N?
Relevant Equations
Vrms = ##\sqrt{2kTR\Delta f}##
The total noise from other sources and thermal is ##N = N_{other} + N_{thermal}##
##N_{175}/ N_{275} = (N_{other} + \sqrt{2k(175)R\Delta f})/( N_{other} + \sqrt{2k(275)R\Delta f})##
I'm not sure how to simplify the expression as ##N_{other} ## is unknown.
If I assume ##N_{total} = N_{thermal}##, then
##N_{175}/ N_{275} = \sqrt{175/275} = 0.80## meaning the thermal noise is reduced by 20% or ##(S/N)_{new} = 1.20*15 = 18##.
Is this correct?
 
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JoJoQuinoa said:
##N_{175}/N_{275} = (N_{other} + \sqrt{2k(175)R\Delta f})/(N_{other} + \sqrt{2k(275)R\Delta f})##

What are the units of ##N##, and what are the units of ##\sqrt{2kTR\Delta f}##?
 
JoJoQuinoa said:
If I assume Ntotal=Nthermal,
I think you have to make this assumption, unless you have more information. Suppose the signal was huge and Nother was also huge, thermal noise could be insignificant, regardless of temperature.
 
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