Calculating Speed: Solving a Distance and Time Problem

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The discussion revolves around a distance and speed problem involving two individuals, Ken and Mark, traveling between three cities (A, B, and C). Participants explore the relationships between distance, speed, and time to determine Ken's speed while addressing various assumptions and equations related to their movements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ken travels 16 km from B to C, and after he has gone 6 km, Mark starts driving from A to C at 60 km/h.
  • Some participants propose that Ken's speed can be represented as \( v_K \), and they set up equations based on his potential actions (turning back or continuing).
  • One participant suggests that the distance from A to B cannot be assumed to be midway and introduces variables to represent distances and times for both Ken and Mark.
  • Another participant derives equations relating Ken's and Mark's travel times and distances, leading to a calculation of Ken's speed.
  • Some participants arrive at a conclusion that Ken's speed is 15 km/h, based on their calculations and equations.
  • There is mention of a distance of 24 km from A to B, which is derived through different approaches by participants.
  • One participant expresses a desire to practice algebraic solutions rather than trial and error, indicating a learning process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on Ken's speed being 15 km/h, there are differing views on the distance from A to B and the assumptions made regarding the problem setup. The discussion includes multiple competing views and remains unresolved on certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various equations and assumptions that may not be universally accepted, such as the distance from A to B and the timing of Ken's and Mark's travels. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions that affect the conclusions drawn.

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Distance & Speed Problem

City B is between City A and City C.
Ken is riding a bike from B to C, a distance of 16 km.
After he has gone 6 km, Mark begins to drive a car at 60 km per hour from A to C.
If Ken continues onward, he will reach C at the same time as Mark. If he turns back, he will reach B at the same time as Mark. What is his speed, in km per hour?

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Given :

Distance;
A ------------------ B ------------------- C

Ken is at B going to C with distance of 16 km.
B ----X-----------C

B to X is 6 km. also X to C is 10 km.

Now I am stuck.. please help.
 
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I don't think we can assume $B$ is midway between $A$ and $C$. Let's let:

$$v_K$$ = Ken's speed

$$d_{AB}$$ = distance from $A$ to $B$

$$t_{K_1}$$ = time traveled by Ken if he turns back.

$$t_{M_1}=t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}$$ = time traveled by Mark, if Ken turns back.

$$t_{K_2}=\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}$$ = time traveled by Ken if her continues.

$$t_{M_2}=t_{K_2}-\frac{6}{v_K}=\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}$$ = time traveled by Mark, if Ken continues.Now, if Ken turns back then he has traveled 12 km and Mark has traveled $d_{AB}$...so we may write:

$$12=v_Kt_{K_1}\tag{1}$$

$$d_{AB}=60\left(t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)\tag{2}$$

If Ken continues, then we may write:

$$16=\frac{4}{3}v_{K_1}t_{K_1}$$ (we have no new information here)

$$d_{AB}+16=60\left(\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)\tag{3}$$

We now have 3 equations and 3 unknowns...can you proceed?
 
Alternatively,

Let $y$ be the distance from city A to city B. Let $t_1$ be the time it takes Mark to travel from city A to city B. Let $M$ be Mark's speed and let $K$ be Ken's speed. So we have

$$M\cdot t_1=y$$
$$K\cdot t_1=6$$

Dividing these two equations gives $\dfrac MK=\dfrac y6$.

Let $t_2$ be the time it takes Mark to travel from city A to city C. Then we have

$$M\cdot t_2=y+16$$
$$K\cdot t_2=10$$

Dividing these two equations gives $\dfrac MK=\dfrac{y+16}{10}$, so we have

$$\dfrac y6=\dfrac{y+16}{10}\implies y=24\text{ km.}$$

You should now be able to complete the problem.
 
From your equation 1 of MarkFL post :

turn-around travel would be 12 km.

Ken on Bike; B turn Aroound to B
12/15 -->> 15km/hr assume velocity
12/15 = 0.8 hr

if he continues to the end;
16/15 = 1 1/15 hr

Mark on Car:
using Ken's end time = 1 1/15 hr X 60 kph = 64 km

A to B = 64 Km - 16 Km (B to C) = 48 Km
So: A to B
48 / 60 = 0.8 hr (Same time as Ken's Turn Around)

A to C = 48 + 16 = 64 Km

Then: 64 / 60 = 1 1/15 hr

therefore Ken's Speed is 15 Kph
 
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Sorry I am used to a trial & error solution. I am practicing to solve mathematics problem using the algebra solutions. that's why I keep on asking for your help. so I cam polished my thoughts and put it into a detailed solutions.
 
Yes, I also get 15 kph for Ken...here are the 3 equations I gave:

$$12=v_Kt_{K_1}\tag{1}$$

$$d_{AB}=60\left(t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)\tag{2}$$

$$d_{AB}+16=60\left(\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)\tag{3}$$

If we solve (2) and (3) for $d_{AB}$, and equate the results, we find:

$$60\left(t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)=60\left(\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}\right)-16$$

Divide through by 60:

$$t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}=\frac{4}{3}t_{K_1}-\frac{6}{v_K}-\frac{4}{15}$$

Add $$-t_{K_1}+\frac{6}{v_K}+\frac{4}{15}$$ to both sides:

$$\frac{4}{15}=\frac{1}{3}t_{K_1}$$

Multiply through by 3:

$$\frac{4}{5}=t_{K_1}$$

And so (1) tells us:

$$v_K=\frac{12}{\dfrac{4}{5}}=15$$

However, like greg1313, I get a distance of 24 km from A to B.
 
Using Greg1313 :

A------------B----X-----C

AB = 24 km + BC = 16 km
t = 40 / 60 = 2/3 hr

XC = 10 km
v = 10 km / 2/3 hr = 15 Kph

To Check :

AC = 40 / 60 = 2/3 hr
XC = 10 / 15 = 2/3 hr

AB = 24/60 = 2/5 hr
XB = 6/15 = 2/5 hryes.. the speed of Ken's bike is 15 Kph.Thank you all !
 

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