Calculating Stability: Finding the Tipping Point of a Table

  • Thread starter Thread starter toothpaste666
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Statics Table
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining how close a person can sit to the edge of a table before it tips over, given the weights of the table and the person. The subject area pertains to mechanics, specifically equilibrium and torque analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on forces and torques but expresses confusion over having too many unknowns. Participants discuss the implications of choosing a pivot point and the conditions for tipping, questioning the treatment of the normal force at the tipping point.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the conditions for tipping. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the normal force, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of constraints regarding the normal force and its treatment at the tipping point, as well as the realism of the physical setup being considered.

toothpaste666
Messages
517
Reaction score
20

Homework Statement



attachment.php?attachmentid=72501&d=1409176178.jpg


How close to the edge of the 26.0-kg table shown in the figure (Figure 1) can a 64.0-kg person sit without tipping it over?

Homework Equations



∑F = 0 ∑T = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



forces A (left leg) and B (right leg) are the forces from the two legs of the table and x is the distance of the person from the right edge of the table (what i am trying to find)

∑F = A +B - 26g - 64g = 0
= A + B = 90g
= A + B = 882

for the torques I chose leg A as the pivot point

∑T = -(.6)26g + (1.2)B -[(1.7-x)64g] = 0
= -15.6g + 1.2B - (108.8g-x64g) = 0
= -15.6g + 1.2B -108.8g + x64g = 0
= -152.88 +1.2B -1066.24 +627.2x = 0
= 1.2B + 627.2x = 1219.12

I have 2 equations but 3 unknowns. What am I missing here? please help :(
 

Attachments

  • tablestatics.jpg
    tablestatics.jpg
    5.2 KB · Views: 1,466
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Irfan Nafi
Physics news on Phys.org
Choosing A as pivot point indicates to me that you are after a value of x in the interval [1.7, 2.2] . At the point of tipping, what can you say about FB ?
 
BvU said:
Choosing A as pivot point indicates to me that you are after a value of x in the interval [1.7, 2.2] . At the point of tipping, what can you say about FB ?

The point of tipping? When it lifts off the ground? It would become 0 right? because the normal force is no longer pushing back up from the ground? But I thought I was not allowed to set it to 0 because I DONT want the table to tip?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Irfan Nafi
If you don't like the 0, you set it to 10-20 or something, and then take the limit to zero.
As long as it's > 0 no tipping.
How realistic do you want this to be ? The legs don't rest on spike tips, etc, etc.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
I wasnt trying to be difficult. I thought about it more and I understand what you are saying now. Thanks.
 
I know. Glad to be able to help.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
17K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
5K