Calculating the Age of Planets without Radioactive Dating

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for calculating the ages of planets, particularly gas giants, without relying on radioactive dating. Participants explore alternative approaches, including the analysis of planetary rotation and the age of the star around which the planets orbit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest analyzing the rotation of planets as a potential method for dating, while noting challenges such as Uranus's extreme tilt.
  • Others argue that rotation may not be a reliable method due to alterations from impacts and other factors affecting planetary rotation over time.
  • One participant emphasizes that the best method for determining a planet's age may be to estimate the age of its star, as planets likely formed shortly after the star's formation.
  • Another participant provides details on the dating of Earth and other celestial bodies, highlighting the use of radioactive dating on rock formations and meteorites to establish a timeline for planetary formation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of Venus's slowing rotation and its causes, questioning whether it is due to tidal locking or other factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the methods for dating planets, with no consensus reached on the most effective approach. There is acknowledgment of the complexities involved in dating gas giants and the limitations of current methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the dating of the solar system is an ongoing area of research, with radioactive dating being recognized for its precision, yet the discussion remains open to alternative methods and their respective challenges.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying planetary science, astrophysics, or anyone curious about methods of dating celestial bodies and the complexities involved in such calculations.

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I understand that it's possible to calculate the age of terrestial planets through radioactive dating their soil. However, the gas planets present a different challenge since we cannot currently land on them.

Any ideas on how to calculate their ages in a different manner?
 
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Thank you Greg!

I was actually thinking of analyzing the rotation of the planets to date them (similar to your stellar age estimation article you shared), though I think we would have a problem with Uranus and its extreme tilt.
 
Kelson Adams said:
I understand that it's possible to calculate the age of terrestial planets through radioactive dating their soil.

Technically, the radioactive dating is performed on rock formations. Soil is a mixture of bits of weathered rock and various types of organic material.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
 
Kelson Adams said:
Thank you Greg!

I was actually thinking of analyzing the rotation of the planets to date them (similar to your stellar age estimation article you shared), though I think we would have a problem with Uranus and its extreme tilt.
The rotation of the planets have been altered since their initial creation as a result of impacts. According to the latest ESA's Venus Express spacecraft , Venus's rotation has slowed down by 6.5 minutes per Venusian sidereal day since the Magellan spacecraft visited it 16 years ago. Earth's rotation before the Thea impact is unknown, but our rotation has definitely slowed down since that impact due to the gravitational pull of our moon. Rotation is not a good method for determining the age of a planet.

Without actually taking surface samples, the best method for determining the age of a planet is as Greg Bernhardt posted above, by determining the age of the star. Planets would have formed within a few million years after the protostar becomes a star. The only time I can think of where that would not be the case would be with captured planets, but they would be extremely rare.
 
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Thank you so much for the thorough explanation! That is really incredible how much Venus's rotation is slowing down... Is it due to tidal locking with the Sun or some other factor? Thanks again for the informative response :)
 
Actually the dating of the Earth is by radioactive dating performed on the rock formations of the Earth. The problem with this is the Earth's crust is by no means primordial. The earliest terrestrial surface rock formation is about 4.03 Gys old and is part of the Acasta Gneiss of the Slave craton in northwestern Canada. Older still is a tiny zircon crystal from Western Australia dated at 4.4 Gyrs.

The earliest lunar rocks date from 4.46 Gyrs ago (the Genesis rock) and typically from the great bombardment era of 3.8 Gyrs ago.

However the age of the Earth, and the Sun and its Solar System, is determined from dating the oldest meteorites, the carbonaceous chondrites dated at 4.6 Gyrs ago.

The dating of the other planets stems from this period of planetary formation from the solar protoplanetary disc.

Garth
 
Dating the age of the solar system is still a work in progress. I think we are pretty accurate at present. Radioactive dating is highly precise, which explains its continued popularity.
 

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