Calculating the epislon ε and current intensity? help please

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The problem involves a battery connected to a light bulb with specified electrical resistance and current intensity. The original poster seeks to calculate the electromotive force (ε) of the battery and determine the current intensity when the bulb's resistance changes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the definitions of resistance and voltage in the context of the problem. Participants discuss the meanings of the symbols used in the equations and clarify the relationships between them. There is an exploration of different equations to find ε and how to apply them to the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing clarifications on the equations and their components. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the application of the equations, with some participants suggesting different approaches to calculate ε and current intensity.

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The original poster's confusion about the resistance values and their corresponding symbols indicates a need for clarification on the definitions and roles of these variables in the equations presented. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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a battery connected to a light bulb that has electrical resistance of (6 Ω) and the current intensity that gets through the bulb counts (12 A), if the internal resistance of the battery was (2 Ω):-
1- what is the Driving force of the battery (ε)?
2- if the light bulb was exchanged with another bulb that has resistance of (4 Ω) what would the current intensity getting through equal?


Homework Equations


ε= VR + Vr
ε=I(R+r)
ε=W/q
r=ε-VR / I
VR = I×R
Vr = I×r
(there might be other forms of the same equations)


I actually don't know weather the electrical resistance given in the problem was r, R, VR or Vr
 
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Hi phy_freak! :smile:
phy_freak said:
I actually don't know weather the electrical resistance given in the problem was r, R, VR or Vr


In this case, it's the inital letter that tells you …

r or R is for Resistance,

v or V is for Voltage (= electric potential = emf = driving force) :wink:

(and i suppose I is for Intensity of current, and W is for energy because it stands for Work, which is a form of energy)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi phy_freak! :smile:In this case, it's the inital letter that tells you …

r or R is for Resistance,

v or V is for Voltage (= electric potential = emf = driving force) :wink:

(and i suppose I is for Intensity of current, and W is for energy because it stands for Work, which is a form of energy)


so we use the equation: ε= VR + Vr to solve the first question? then it means that VR=6 (the given bulb's resistance) and Vr=2 (battery given resistance)
so ε=6+2 =8V? is that correct?
 
phy_freak said:
so we use the equation: ε= VR + Vr to solve the first question?

No, you're misunderstanding what this equation is.

It's ε= VR + Vr,

which in words means the emf (driving force) equals the voltage drop (electric potential difference) across the resistance R plus the voltage drop across the resistance r.

R and r in this equation aren't factors, to be multiplied … they're only labels, to tell you which V you're talking about.

(so if the resistances were called R1 and R2, the voltage drops would be called V1 and V2, with the labels "1" and "2")

The equation you need is ε = I(R+r) …

(because ε= VR + Vr, and VR = IR and Vr = Ir, so altogether ε = IR + Ir = I(R+r):wink:)
 
i used ε = I(R+r), assuming that R=6 (the bulb's resistance) and r=2 (battery resistance), ε equaled 96 V.

and i used I=ε/R+r (with the ε equaling 96) for the second question, (I) equaled 16A

are those correct?
 
phy_freak said:
i used ε = I(R+r), assuming that R=6 (the bulb's resistance) and r=2 (battery resistance), ε equaled 96 V.

and i used I=ε/R+r (with the ε equaling 96) for the second question, (I) equaled 16A

are those correct?

Yup! :biggrin:
 
thank you very much you were helpful :)
 

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