Calculating the mass of the moon given radius.

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The problem involves calculating the mass of the moon based on the gravitational acceleration experienced by an object dropped from a height of 1.6 meters. Participants are discussing the appropriate methods to derive the gravitational acceleration and subsequently the mass, using the moon's radius as part of the calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore using kinematic equations to determine gravitational acceleration instead of relying on known values. There is discussion about the correct application of formulas and the implications of initial conditions on the calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the methods used to calculate gravitational acceleration, with some participants suggesting corrections to previous attempts. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the use of kinematic data versus established gravitational values.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the expected results and the relationship between their calculations and the values provided in their worksheets. There is mention of discrepancies in the calculated mass values and the importance of using experimental data in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Hi guys so i have this problem that i have been trying to solve and i think i might have the right answer but i am a bit confused about something.



An astronaut conducting experiments on the moon, drops an object from a height of 1.6m and notices that it takes the object 1.4 to reach the moons surface. If the mean radius of the moon is 1.74 * 106m , calculate the mass of the moon.



Homework Equations


gx = GMx/Rx2

Mx = gx * R2 / G


The Attempt at a Solution



Well this is where i get confused, I know that the gravity on the moon is 1/6th that of Earth so its equal to 1.6m/s2.

So this is what i did

Mx = 1.6m/s2 * ( 1.74 * 106m )2 / 6.67 * 10-11

and i got the mass to be 7.26260869 * 1022

Is this the correct answer?
 
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cruisx said:
Well this is where i get confused, I know that the gravity on the moon is 1/6th that of Earth so its equal to 1.6m/s2.

Rather than using your existing knowledge about the moon to figure out what g is, I think that you are supposed to use the kinematics data given in the problem (how long it took an object to fall freely from a given height) to *calculate* g. Then you can proceed given the knowledge that g = GM/R2
 
Ok so i think this is rigth but i don't know. So i used the 3rd motion eqn to find a.

d = T +1/2a(T)^2

and then i found acceleration to be -2.1952 m/s^2

IS that the correct value i should be using for g?
 
cruisx said:
IS that the correct value i should be using for g?

No, because the formula is actually:

d = v0t + (1/2)at2

where v0 is the initial velocity. In this case, the initial velocity of the dropped object is zero, so the formula reduces to:

d = (1/2)at2

Using this formula will give you an answer close to the 1.6 m/s2 that you remembered.
 
cepheid said:
No, because the formula is actually:

d = v0t + (1/2)at2

where v0 is the initial velocity. In this case, the initial velocity of the dropped object is zero, so the formula reduces to:

d = (1/2)at2

Using this formula will give you an answer close to the 1.6 m/s2 that you remembered.

Oh yes, that was a silly mistake, i forgot about that. And you so after your suggestion i got the value fo g to be -1.568 m/s2

And then i pluged it into the formula i mentioned in my first post and got the mass to be

-7.117356522 * 1022
 
cruisx said:
Well this is where i get confused, I know that the gravity on the moon is 1/6th that of Earth so its equal to 1.6m/s2.

So this is what i did

Mx = 1.6m/s2 * ( 1.74 * 106m )2 / 6.67 * 10-11

and i got the mass to be 7.26260869 * 1022

Is this the correct answer?
That is not the correct answer, correct in this case meaning the answer the instructor expects you to get using the given information. In particular, you did not use the experimental evidence.
 
cruisx said:
Oh yes, that was a silly mistake, i forgot about that. And you so after your suggestion i got the value fo g to be -1.568 m/s2

And then i pluged it into the formula i mentioned in my first post and got the mass to be

-7.117356522 * 1022
Does that answer make any sense? First off, no units. 7*1022 what? Secondly, when is mass ever negative?
 
I have been assigned this question..
the answer according to my worksheet is given as 7.4E22kg

I cannot get this answer by finding a through a=d/t^2,

My attempt:

Fnet=ma=Fg=Gmm/r^2
ma=Gmm/r^2
a=Gm/r^2
(r^2*a)/G = 3.631304348E22 (its half of the actual answer.. what am I doing wrong??)
 
joshmdmd said:
I cannot get this answer by finding a through a=d/t^2,

Look at the posts above. From the kinematics equations for constant acceleration, it should be a = 2d/t2. Perhaps that is the cause of the problem you are having?
 

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