Calculating the Maximum Mass of a Black Hole at a Given Distance

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum mass of a black hole at a specified distance, focusing on gravitational effects and the tolerable difference in gravitational acceleration experienced by a person near the black hole. The problem is situated within the context of general relativity and gravitational physics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational acceleration and the distance from the black hole, questioning the correct application of formulas and the interpretation of the difference in gravitational acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem and the necessary calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different interpretations and methods for calculating the gravitational effects. Some have identified potential errors in reasoning or calculations, while others suggest alternative approaches, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is an emphasis on the difference in gravitational acceleration and how it relates to the height of the individual. Participants are also considering the implications of sign errors in their calculations and the use of differential equations versus direct calculations.

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Homework Statement


The radius Rh of a black hole is the radius of a mathematical sphere, called the event horizon, that is centered on the black hole. Information from events inside the event horizon cannot reach the outside world. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, Rh = 2GM/c2, where M is the mass of the black hole and c is the speed of light.

Suppose that you wish to study a black hole near it, at a radial distance of 43Rh. However, you do not want the difference in gravitational acceleration between your feet and your head to exceed 10 m/s2 when you are feet down (or head down) toward the black hole. (a) Take your height to be 2.0 m. What is the limit to the mass of the black hole you can tolerate at the given radial distance? Give the ratio of this mass to the mass MS of our Sun. (b) Is the ratio an upper limit estimate or a lower limit estimate?

Homework Equations


Rh = 2GM/c^2
Fg=GmM/R^2
Fg=m*a

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the two expressions of the gravitational attraction: a=GM/(R+∂R)^2=10
and we have R=43*Rh=86GM/c^2
and my height is ∂R=2 metres
now sub the expression for R in, and do the massive calculation I got M=1.0125*10^32 kg
the sun has mass Msun=1.99*10^30 kg
thus the ratios is M/Msun=50.879...
This is not however the correct answer
Please let me know where I might have gone wrong
 
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i_hate_math said:
a=GM/(R+∂R)^2
Note the first word below:
i_hate_math said:
difference in gravitational acceleration
 
haruspex said:
Note the first word below:
Oh I see, so it should be a=GM/(∂R)^2 instead of the whole thing
 
i_hate_math said:
Oh I see, so it should be a=GM/(∂R)^2 instead of the whole thing
No, it's the difference between two accelerations. Find the expressions for the accelerations and THEN take the difference.
 
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haruspex said:
No, it's the difference between two accelerations. Find the expressions for the accelerations and THEN take the difference.
a(head)=GM/(R+∂R)^2
a(feet)=a=GM/(R)^2
and a(difference)=10=GM/(R+∂R)^2-GM/(R)^2
does that look right?
 
i_hate_math said:
a(head)=GM/(R+∂R)^2
a(feet)=a=GM/(R)^2
and a(difference)=10=GM/(R+∂R)^2-GM/(R)^2
does that look right?
Yes, except there's a good chance you have a sign error.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, except there's a good chance you have a sign error.
Thanks a lot. I just found another way to do this(should've read the textbook thru thoroughly), they used the differential eq, a=GM/(R)^2 becomes da=-GM/(R)^3 dR where dR=h=2 and subbing in everything this is much easier
 
i_hate_math said:
Thanks a lot. I just found another way to do this(should've read the textbook thru thoroughly), they used the differential eq, a=GM/(R)^2 becomes da=-GM/(R)^3 dR where dR=h=2 and subbing in everything this is much easier
The next step from post #5 (after fixing the sign error) would have been to use the binomial expansion of (R+∂R)-2 and make the approximation for small ∂R/R. That comes to the same as taking the differential.
 
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haruspex said:
The next step from post #5 (after fixing the sign error) would have been to use the binomial expansion of (R+∂R)-2 and make the approximation for small ∂R/R. That comes to the same as taking the differential.
I see, i would go with the other method to avoid calculating errors, but thank you very much.
 

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